Intro 0:00
Today's podcast is going to be so full of information, it is going to blow your mind. The bottom line is, what does light have to do with healing and our bodies and how can we fix our light deficiency? Stay tuned.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:22
Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. I'm your host. Dr Judy Morgan. My guest today, Jackie Jolie has a lifelong dedication to animals, especially horses, near and dear to my heart, and that led her to a distinguished career in equine and canine bodywork with a bachelor's in equine Health and Rehabilitation. Jackie's 15 year journey has been shaped by her belief in natural healing processes. Well, we certainly love that. Her personal turning point came in 2018 after a diagnosis of Lyme disease. And this happens so often where the founder of a company has a life changing event or diagnosis that makes them say, I can fix this. How do I fix this? And then it turns into something bigger. So I admire that, because it happens quite often. She overcame her Lyme disease through natural treatments and learning all about quantum healing through light, water and magnetism, getting certified in quantum biology,
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:21
I guess we'll learn more. What that is to be able to learn on a deeper level, along with using red and infrared light therapy during her recovery, led her to a bigger mission. This experience, along with her professional observations, inspired the creation of Equisol and DogSol, red infrared light therapy blankets for animals. Jackie's vision for Equisol transcends animal healthcare. It's about enlightening others on the transformative effects of light on overall wellness. Welcome Jackie. Thank you for being here.
Jackie Jolie
Thank you so much for having me.
Dr. Judy Morgan
And I guess now we are developing Carsol? So we've got dogs, cats and horses. So this is across the board, and I'm thinking that this must be able to be used on people as well, since you healed yourself
Jackie Jolie
yes, we are all mammals, right?
Dr. Judy Morgan
We are all mammals too. Can we use it on birds?
Jackie Jolie
You sure can
Dr. Judy Morgan
All righty, then, okay, I get a lot of those too, although I don't know, maybe I can just put one of these Carson pads in the chicken coop, and everybody will sit on it. We'll see,
Jackie Jolie
yes, we have photos and everything of roosters in a cat carrier. You know, anything you can throw into a cat carrier, we can help.
Dr. Judy Morgan
There you go. Well, can I cover the whole floor of my chicken coop?
Jackie Jolie
Yeah, It'll get super messy.
Dr. Judy Morgan
But, yeah, it'll get super messy. But I'm thinking is super cleanable, so it's okay. So what is light therapy, and how does this work? Why is it so powerful?
Jackie Jolie
Oh, okay, well, the scientific term for light therapy is obviously photobiomodulation. Say that three times fast, right? But red light therapy is much more accessible to say, even though it includes, usually wavelengths of red and near infrared. Number one, I always like to tell people when we think about light, because now in our modern world, we kind of take light for advantage. We've always had light bulbs and flashlights and things like that. We aren't just working off of the sun and the moon and fire. Even though we should, it makes us much healthier, and that's my bigger story later.
Jackie Jolie 3:10
But with light therapy, light is literally the fastest, strongest natural energy source we have in the existence of the universe. So like, if everybody was to go home and Google, you know, what is the best energy source that's natural you're going to get, you know, solar panel, or solar or sun, the sun brings life to everything, right? And when we learn back in biology school, the full spectrum, which is that Roy G, Biv, all the different colors of the rainbow, right? Each one of those colors actually comes at our bodies, whether that's a plant body, a tree body, an animal body or human body. And the photons, the packets of light. So I'm throwing out a little bit of quantum biology terms. It has directions and instructions for the body or the plant, whatever that living thing is that the sun brings life to everything. It's giving instructions. So now, with modern science and technology and engineers and all of that, we can actually capture that light. And back in the late 60s is when lasers were first developed. So that's all we had for a very long time to use for healing practices. And even when people like to question like, Oh, you're going to shine This little flashlight looking thing with light on my horse's leg or injury, and it's going to do something like, we get that all the time, right? But we have lasers that cut steel. We have lasers that work on eyeballs and surgery. We have lasers that cut open tissue and skin in surgery. That's just a strong, concentrated beam of light. So that's just a lot of like proof in the pudding that I like to tell people, like light is very powerful. So lasers have been around since the late 60s, and that's really kind of all we've had. Unfortunately, I don't think light got to shine as best for its potential and healing. Because lasers were really expensive. They still are. I know some vets that spend $60,000 - $70,000 on a laser for the barn that has, like an ultrasound with it, and screens and all those things. And they all work. Light will always work. And us as a company, I will always promote that. I want light to win. It's it's the best modality.
Jackie Jolie 5:00
Um, however, lasers are so expensive, most of us pet owners cannot get access to that. In addition, it is strong, right? It can blind you. It can cause damage to tissue. I have seen tissues that have had, you know, holes and tears burnt through them from a laser because somebody left it on tissue too long.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Yeah, absolutely. And we when cold laser became a little bit more mainstream in variant practice, I was the first practice in my area to because we were integrated practice. I was the first one to invest in a really good cold laser. And that initial laser was $25,000
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:38
I Had two practices, so I had to buy two of them. And then I also did some horse work. So I bought the equine laser attachment, which actually was just three beams instead of one, so you could really focus in. But you know, and then I would have clients say, Well, how can I do this at home? So I don't have to come here three times a week? Can I buy one of these? I'm like, well, first of all, if you have $25,000 Yes. But then there's this learning curve, because we don't want people to do damage with a super powerful laser unit that that could cause a problem,
Jackie Jolie
absolutely. And so obviously, I'm sure you saw in your practice, it works, and it works very quickly. And that is the benefit of lasers. You only need a session that's maybe three or five eight minutes, possibly in length. However, it does make the client dependent on the veterinarian to either come to the barn or them come to the clinic. And when you are using light, we do want a lot of it, and so then, yes, that's making it dependent to come three or four times a week. Well, that gets expensive for the pet owner, and it gets inconvenient overall. And actually, it takes up more of your time too, right? Like practitioners are very busy already, as it is. I know a lot of Equine vets. They have no other life. They have their business, and that is it. And so LEDs were created light emitting diodes. Is what that stands for, mid 80s, late 80s, and that's what you'll see in flashlights and light bulbs nowadays and in our cars. And so they realize that they can capture the power of light, whether it's green or yellow, whatever color you're trying to grab from the sun, and you can create healing modalities with it. So now we've had LEDs, and there are some laser companies that are even making lasers now that are, you know, they can go home and be hand held lasers for pet owners. And so they also work. And the great thing is, is to also show that light is the most powerful modality you can choose. There's already over 7000 scientific articles backing up photobiomodulation. I don't know of any other modality, pharmaceutical, vitamin supplement, or anything that can claim any of that. Maybe, like acupuncture and massage, of course, because those are, like ancient, ancient practices, but there's just not a lot of science behind those, right?
Dr. Judy Morgan
So, like, at least fortunately, that's, you know, what people complain about, especially the the science or your science people. like, where's your where's your double blinded placebo, you know, 7000 studies, they're hard to do.
Jackie Jolie
They're hard, especially, like, for myself, like, that's what I was doing as a body worker. Like, I've been massaging animals for 15 years? Well, you don't have a lot of science behind it, but the writers and the animal, they know they feel better and they're moving better like you see it as even just that clinical result. But yes, there's not a lot of science behind it. So for a modality that's therapy that I can actually say, hey, there's a ton of science behind this, even more so than any other modality. It already kind of has its proof right there. But what's great is, out of the 7000 practices and scientific studies that's been done, they've all been done with low level light, which means LEDs and contact methods, so on the skin, so all of us, mammals, humans included, we absorb and we reflect light, and so on the human side, red light therapy is really big right now. It's a huge biohacking trend, and it's great because that's going to transfer over to the animals really well, but normally they just have panels that you have to sit in front of, and they tell you you have to be six inches within the panel so that you can actually get a therapeutic dosage. That's because we are absorbing that light, but we're also reflecting off of the skin, so you're losing actually, a large percentage of that, and that's why lasers have always been you have to be right on the skin or just slightly away from it, like an inch or two at the most. Otherwise you're losing too much light, especially with animals having fur, right? You have to get through that layer. So lasers worked. LEDs got invented, and really in the last 20 years, all we've had is either like a laser as a handheld area, or some type of pad that you could just isolate on an area. Well, through all of my, you know, illness and disease and tragedy that I had from Lyme disease, being a body worker, I already looked at the body as a whole. It's all connected. All of the systems are connected. All of the organs are connected. And we have fascia, nerves, blood, circulating veins, all of that. And so when I really looked from the quantum biology lens of our animal industry is also getting sicker and sicker at younger and younger ages, and we're blaming it on genes, and we are blaming it on a lot of toxins. And yes, all of that has truth to it, because we have a lot more toxins in our environment than we ever used to
Jackie Jolie 10:00
but it's Mirroring the human counterpart of us getting sicker and sicker at younger and younger ages. And what I learned through quantum biology is that's because it's due to our light environment, and light actually ends up being the foundation of our health, even over exercise, sleep and diet. Those are important, and you need to have those really keyed in as well. But if you have your light life right, which is another term that we use in quantum biology. All those other things compound tenfold for you, if you have your light life, right. And that just means really getting back to nature, getting our circadian rhythms in check. We're all mammals, besides our nocturnal slight off the off the course, we're all have a diurnal clock inside of us, and so we're supposed to have light and dark cycles, and that's actually where all of our genes, amino acids, hormones, all of that that's naturally in us, we have light triggers and light cells, and we're not getting the proper signaling like we used to when we lived, breathed, worked, slept outside, with light and dark cycles. So the same thing is true for our animals.
Jackie Jolie 11:00
So when I saw that problem, then it was like, where's the solution? Red light therapy is really a great way to bring in more light signaling for the body, because it does actually talk to the cells that deeply, and we can actually innervate with the cells that you have in every single organ or system in the body. And all it's doing is going into that mitochondria, which takes us back to biology school, right? Those little powerhouses, those little powerhouses, and they actually do more than even just making ATP, right? So like they hydrate ourselves, they create that EZ water, which is also something nobody taught us about, that fourth stage of water that protects ourselves from viruses and bacteria and harm inflammation. And then they also make circulation in the form of near infrared heat in the body. And so that's a lot of mumbo jumbo to come back and just say we need those light signals in the body, and red in the infrared light is the best way to do that to the body. That's not invasive. So there's no steroid, there's no supplement that the body has to still digest and that the liver and kidneys still have to take on and get through the body. We're now giving that light signal which the body is starving and craving for.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Well, sure, we've we, we have totally changed how our animals live. So, for instance, even livestock there, a lot of them are housed inside. They're under artificial lighting to increase the laying season for our hens and to, you know, increase milk production and all these and even our pets spend so much time under artificial lighting inside, and they're not spending that time outside. Same holds for us. And you know, I have been a person who has never believed in sunscreen. For me, it just makes me break out and so and it caused a horrible sun allergy for me by using sunscreen products. So I don't use any and I allow my body to actually absorb that light, which is what we need to do. So many people are deficient in vitamin D because we we spend all day inside, in front of computers, in front of machines with artificial lighting, and we are not spending that time out in nature, getting that sunshine that we need, getting that fresh air. And for people who live in the city, my lord, you're never going to get all that stuff that you need, move. Yeah, that's move.
Dr. Judy Morgan 13:21
That's why I live on a farm. yeah. So, you know, it is critical that we find a different way to bring that back to the body, to get that healing, to get that natural rhythm back in place. Because we have, we have totally destroyed it,
Jackie Jolie
yes, and that's my larger mission of this company, like the red light therapy products that we created, it is going to create a solution for the animals that already have, you know, arthritis or autoimmune issues or allergies or spinal issues. We, you know, we helped a paralyzed dog walk again had been paralyzed for a year. So our product will create a nice solution for issues that are already at bay. But our company actually has a much larger mission of I want to start teaching this quantum biology, this light story, because it's the only way that we can empower the owners to actually create the environment that can make real change for health in the body, and make those genes change. Genes can turn on and off. We're only responsible. The genes are only responsible for 20% of our health, which means we have 80% control over that, and it's the environment that pulls the trigger right genes load the gun, but the environment pulls the trigger. And so if we can teach that to our pet owners, it allows them to see that they do have a lot more control over how they can heal their pets. And your message provides a lot of that for the pet owners, which I really align with and love. And so that's our bigger goal there. And at the same time, I am hoping that most of our human customers that are sitting in the chair hearing the light message as we begin that education soon on our platform, they go, Oh, wait, I'm a mammal also, and I also need
Dr. Judy Morgan 14:54
And for our, for our, our Cats that we have living inside, yeah, around the clock, yeah, they don't get any of that light. I mean, why do we think they sit in the window like, oh, please bring me some sun. Bring me some light therapy. Plus, they like the warmth, but they're craving that. And for so many dogs, their outdoor time is a couple of walks a day.
Jackie Jolie
If that they're lucky. If they get that,
Dr. Judy Morgan
that is not what our animals need
Jackie Jolie
exactly. They need friends. You know, the horses are the same, like they are a they are a herd animal. Our dogs are pack animals. Cats are the same. Yeah, we've just really changed that completely. And even, like with the window topic, like most of our modern Windows are "green", so they don't let near infrared and red light in anymore. They're only letting blue light in. Well, we're already surrounded by blue light, and that's a whole nother topic that obviously would be for another podcast, because we can be here for a while on quantum biology, but they're not even getting those rays that are the most healing. So red and near infrared are the most healing and deepest absorbing Ray rays that you can get from the sun, and we have them around the clock when the sun is up, and so that's what's helping protect you. When that UVA and that UVB does come up, that gets so demonized. That's not correct. I already knew you came in with good color, so I was like, Ah, she's good. I always know when people have their sun, their sun time, oh my god, they're good.
Dr. Judy Morgan
I love sun. I love being outside. I get really I definitely affected by seasonal affective disorder, because there's not as much sun. I don't spend as much. I hate cold weather, so I don't spend as much time outside. And when we are outside in the cold weather, we're all bundled up, we've covered all of our skin. We're still not absorbed. You know about the only thing that sees the sunlight is my face. Yes, it's like, oh, and that's for 10 minutes a day, because it's too cold outside. Yes, I live in the south, and it's still too cold outside.
Jackie Jolie
You guys have a wet cold, kind of like we do in Kentucky too. It's that right to your bones cold, but we need that exposure too. That's a big part of quantum biology. Is your environment, not just the light environment, but what's your temperature environment. So us as modern human beings under fake lights as well. We like to stay at a balmy 72 degrees year round in the car and the house and our bodies, the mitochondria is responding to what the environment is. And so same for our animals. They need to have that hot and cold exposure while they have that light and dark exposure. And seasonally, right? Like in the winter, it's going to be a much shorter light window, and then in the summer, a much longer window, and depending on where you live and grow up, and haplotypes and ancestry, that stuff kind of plays a role as well. You know, somebody that has Latin descent or African descent, if they live in New York, they they need a lot of light, because their genes are used to being closer to the equator. And there's even animal breeds that are very similar, like it can all cross reference over to the animal world. Like, when I used to live in Louisiana, I had all these clients that would get Friesians and bring them to Louisiana, and they would wonder why they suffered so badly. And I'm like, These horses are not supposed to be in, like the swamp with, you know, humid weather and bugs and fungus around all that hair. And they're just, they stop breathing, they stop sweating, they stop breathing, they have allergy issues, like it's a disaster.
Dr. Judy Morgan
So there you go. Don't breed chihuahuas in Alaska and don't breed Newfoundlands in Louisiana. Hey guys, we're gonna take a break to hear from our sponsor. We'll be right back. Stay tuned.
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Dr. Judy Morgan
welcome back to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. I'm your host, Dr Judy Morgan, and my guest today, Jackie Jolie, is really giving us a ton of information about quantum biology. I'm not sure I ever really thought of those two terms put together. I think of quantum physics and all that kind of stuff. But we're getting educated here in a way that is understandable, and I really appreciate that.
Dr. Judy Morgan 20:00
So we've talked a little bit about how important, just like real light is for all of us, that diurnal rhythm that we've all lost. You know,
Dr. Judy Morgan 20:12
modern conveniences are a wonderful thing in a lot of ways, and they are also the worst thing for us in a lot of ways, you know, sort of like processed food is so much easier, but so much worse for us. And so artificial light is something that really has had an effect on our overall health. And one of those things that we look at is, why do we have so much chronic disease in our pets, so much chronic disease in people? And I think usually we think of it as, oh, well, you know, toxins in the environment and processed food and, you know, sitting still, not moving as much. But I don't think very many people think about that light aspect, which obviously is very critical. You know, for us, the vitamin D part of it is just a huge part. Our pets don't convert that from the sunlight effectively, like we do, but it's still a really important part of their overall health and well being. So let's talk a little bit about therapeutic light that's used in your blankets and wraps and pads and in the therapeutic lasers that are being so much used so much in veterinary clinics around the world, but now also in homes. So photonic therapy, red light therapy, it's got a lot of different names, yes, but it's becoming a lot more commonplace for people and a lot easier for people to use. And I think part of the reason for that is it's a little bit hard to really screw it up. If you give them a little extra light in an area that they don't need it, the body's going to absorb it. Use what it needs.
Dr. Judy Morgan 21:50
You can't burn them with these home products. You're not going to cut the skin. You're not going to burn holes in the skin. So talk to us a little bit more about the different wavelengths that are used is a little bit sciency, but the different wavelengths that are used and why? And you know what? What is incorporated in different products, because they can be pretty varied.
Jackie Jolie
Yes, absolutely, kind of like what we talked about in the first segment when we compared the history of red light therapy. Obviously, we started with lasers. Lasers still exist, but they are limited because expensive, so you have to rely on the vet, have to wear goggles, get the education, and you can cause harm with those you can, if you leave it on a tissue too long, or it too strength, too high of a strength, it can cause tears and burns through the tissue. And so we don't want that. Obviously, once they came out with LEDs, we can capture that same power, but it's cheaper and accessible and it's safe and effective. And effective. And of course, that's usually the first question, you know, like, can, you know, yeah, as pet owners, we already feel a little helpless because our pets can't verbally talk to us, right? Even though they say, Hey, that's a little too hot. Yes, and sometimes, I mean, they will, you know, animals can move. They talk to us in other ways, much more physical ways, than verbal. But with the LEDs, it's great, because you really, actually can't cause any harm or overdosage again. Out of that 7000 scientific articles behind light therapy, in general, there's never been a case of where they've caused any type of harm or damage using LEDs at that low level frequency. So there does seem to be, in the decades of research, a couple of parameters that we can kind of be based off of, like, what we should give us a dosage, what we should give us a treatment, and kind of how the biphasic dose works, which that's a terminology of, kind of like, what is the threshold of treatment that is still being researched? Because again, now I think they're realizing how powerful light is. So they're wanting to come back to the table and say, Okay, can we push this and make this something that fits in a box for every single treatment, which really at the end of the day, as we know, everybody's an N equals one. So everybody's body and animal's body are different with different needs, but like with our message and what we were just talking about, we are all deficient in red and near infrared light. So when I do talk to people about this, it's like, Well, why would I need this, and what would I use it for? And if I have a three year old dog that's already healthy. Why would I need this? Your dog's already deficient in light. So if your dog was deficient in vitamin C, selenium, Vitamin K, omega threes, what would you do? You would try to find it in the food or then supplement, right? And so we need to see light now as an actual vitamin and supplement that your animal is already deficient in just because of our modern indoor lifestyle. So so that's kind of the background on that the biphasic dosage kind of works as far as like this, light is going all the way down to that cellular level and interacting with the mitochondria in those cells to do its job just faster and more efficiently with, luckily, no side effects, right? It's not a pharmaceutical, it's not a steroid, it's not a supplement, it's just light. There is a time period of where the the cell can only fill up with so much light, and then it needs to integrate it into the body right to make that ATB hydration for the EZ water and the circulation for the near infrared heat. And so that's going to differ with each animal, obviously, but there's no way to overdo it. It's basically where you would just come to a threshold where you just wouldn't be receiving any more.
Jackie Jolie 25:00
beneficial effects. So far, in all of the research that I've seen that we've thrown it at every animal, in every case, my own self, we're all deficient in light. So I haven't seen an animal or a human hit that threshold yet. And all of the practitioners and the researchers and the experts on light that I work with, they have not seen people hit that threshold. And it's not a very easy way to test it in the tissue. Either you need post mortem tissue to test it, and so it's not a super easy way to say like, well, this is the definite biphasic dose
Jackie Jolie 25:33
in the other research that we did when we made our products. I did learn other things, though, in all of that 7000 scientific articles that I'll keep pushing, most of the cases, again, were low level light and contact method, because of the reflection. And you want to be delivering anywhere from 5 to 30 joules per centimeter squared. So that's just the science, like measurement of what we're dosing into the body and the cell. But that seems to be what's appropriate. Now in the human field, of course, we're starting to see like, Okay, well, a little bit of something is really good. So then a whole lot of it lot of it. So you're getting these panels that are, like, we're the most panel, powerful panel on the planet. We're gonna give you, you know, 100 joules in five minutes, and you only have to sit in front of the panel for five minutes. Well, then there's so many other things you have to worry about, because to power that panel, you have it plugged into the wall, and then that panel is throwing so many non native EMFs and radio frequencies, which is, again, another quantum biology topic for another podcast, but it can cause a lot of inflammatory issues in the body. So then it's like, are we cross, you know, not allowing the body to actually heal when you think you're doing something healing. So all of our products are low level technology. All of our products deliver a 10 to 12 joules per centimeter squared in a 15 minute time session. And most of the research out there, too has been anywhere from like a five or eight minute session to 15-20 minutes. We don't ever really recommend anything over 30, not because of not causing harm, but because that's going to be the time period that the cell kind of fills up with light and says, Okay, I've had enough light. I need to integrate that into the body and use it, deplete it, and then I'm ready for another session.
Dr. Judy Morgan
How long do like? So let's say you do a 30 minute session. Your cat sits on that pad for 30 minutes, or you put the jacket on the dog or the horse for 30 minutes. How often would you do that? Like? How long does it take for that light energy that you've applied to be depleted?
Jackie Jolie
That's also going to depend on, obviously, the age, sometimes breed sometimes, like, does that dog stay in all the time, or does he get outside most of the time? Let's see if they're getting a lot of natural light on their own. If it's a young animal, they're not going to need as much light treatments, right? But if we're dealing with like, for example, our big hero story and case that we had for the company was Marley. He was a paralyzed. Dog had been paralyzed for a year, nothing was working. The owner had spent $10,000 on, you know, all the diagnostics, all the supplements, all the things had a wheelchair made. Was feeding them out of the hand like, I mean, she was committed, and the only thing that she saw a difference is she went to a second vet for a second opinion, and he started using a laser on the neck eight minutes,
Jackie Jolie 27:59
$230 a session, and he wanted to see her four times a week. Well, I don't know who can afford that, but she had done like, three sessions, and she had started seeing his paws unfurl, right? And so then luckily, like divinely, somebody connected her with us. And I was like, Oh, this is cool. Let me send you a jacket. Let's see what happens. But I know he's gonna need a lot of light. Knowing that the laser was the only thing that showed differences, I knew the light would work. I just knew he needed a lot of it. So we just started doing that dog 30 minute session, so two sessions of our cycle in the morning and a 30 minute session in the evening. So we just hit him with a ton of light. Now I thought, okay, he's been paralyzed for a year. This is gonna take, you know, 30-45, days before we probably see big differences. She texted me at day five and said he was standing. At day 10, he was trying to take steps, and by day 14, he was walking stumbly, and not for long, but he was walking in two weeks with our blankets. And I was like, I mean, I fell at the floor crying and screaming and laughing and dancing and all the things, because I was just so happy. And now it's been six months since he had his, you know, initial case study. He still gets a 30 minute session every day, but he walks 30 minutes with his owner. He doesn't have to, you know, get fed or anything like, he gets up on his own, eats on his own, potties, on his own. All. He gets to be a dog again. Now, like on his case study, we found out that he had four
Jackie Jolie 29:20
discs that were not operable, that were compressed, and so when the vets initially had seen him, he was twice his size, so all the diagnostics weren't showing what was wrong with the disc. They only saw inflammation, and then we didn't have an answer for it. Once the light worked on him, he shrunk back to his normal size. And we went and got more X rays and ultrasounds done, and that's what it showed. Well, if you think about that case in the beginning, if they would have seen that, that would have been a euthanasia case, because they would have been like, well, he's paralyzed. We can't operate on the discs. Like, what are you going to do? So it's good that everything happened the way it did, but that's just a case where, like, okay, he's a very severe chronic case. Also, his discs are always going to stay like that. So he needs light every day.
Jackie Jolie 30:00
But again, if you had a healthy dog or cat or horse that gets a lot of outdoor time, they're not going to need as much light. I usually with our products, I kind of recommend, when you first get a product, we're going to do a loading dose of light, kind of like you do with adequan or a lot of the supplements that we have. I want you to give one session a day for 30 days as a loading dose, and then after that, you know your dog better than anybody else, how are they acting? How are they moving? How are they performing? And especially if there's a diagnosis, then, yeah, we might need to do more. But I'm also going to open up, you know, consultations on the website as well, so that we can start working with specific cases like that. Because really, there's not, there is a lot of research clinically, like in the laboratory, but there's not a lot of research like this, like, let's do this case, and let's do that case. We're working with a peroneal hernia right now. Case in Canada, those are usually only operational. They sometimes come back, and we're seeing some really great progress. It's taking a little bit longer, but he'd already been with it for a year, because the owner doesn't want to do the surgery, sure, but So those are just examples. That's a hard question to answer, because, of course, most customers just want like, this is how much I give this day, and this is the protocol. But the nice thing is, at least with this, you can't overdo it, so it's like you're never gonna harm your pet. So it does give that very safe and effective, like, comfort level for the owners, there's nothing that the body has to metabolize or digest or anything like that. It's not going to burden any other organs. It's only going to help. And so like, yeah, just throw light at everything and see what it does. So that's kind of not a straight shot answer, but that's the best answer. Really. We kind of just work with the animal and working with what they have as a diagnosis or as just even, like a performance enhancement effect as well,
Dr. Judy Morgan
sure. And so what wavelengths of light are incorporated in therapies?
Jackie Jolie
So that's also something that kind of, we only had lasers from before. We also only had the wavelengths of 850, and 660 so your red light wavelengths run from 600 to about 790 in nanometers. So that's the science of like, what's coming from the sun. Those are what how it's measured, and then near infrared. So there's two versions of infrared, and I always want to make this clear with people as well. A lot of people think this is a heating or thermal device, and it's not. There's two different types of infrareds. There's near and far infrared. Your near infrared runs from about 800 nanometers, to about 1200-1300 and then you start getting into far infrared that runs all the way up to, like three, 4000 nanometers. Your far infrared is your heat, like, if you think of like a sauna. You go sit in a sauna that is far infrared. It is creating a thermal effect in your body to sweat and detox all that well. When we're working with soft tissue, and especially like on performance humans or mammals, you don't want to overheat soft tissue. Same idea with the laser, right? Like you don't want to overheat that. So you actually don't want any type of a thermal effect. We do not include any far infrared wavelengths at all. Ours are only near infrared. The Near Infrared is going to be the deeper, penetrating and absorbing, and it does create a circulatory effect in the body. So after the 15 minute session, our pads will have like a very slight warmth to it, but it is not like a heating pad, right? So I always like to make that clear, we did put five wavelengths into our products, just because, through my quantum biology research and researching, a lot of the Russian scientists were really the ones that did a lot of deep dives in light and light therapy. They found kind of a more full spectrum effect of, yes, the 850, and 660, worked and on big global effects in the body, but they asked outside the box like, Okay, well, let's not stay stuck there. Let's see what other wavelengths occur. And when you start adding more wavelengths, you get more of that synchronistic full spectrum effect like you would get outside. You're going to get all the wavelengths when you're outside. And there are specific wavelengths that target specific issues. And so yes, 850 and 660 works most of the products on the market right now, that's what they're going to have. It works ours. We just added more wavelengths to be able to target deeper and other structures. So for example, our red light wavelengths are 630 and 660
Jackie Jolie 34:01
630. That differs a little bit from the 660 is going to be a lot more of like your skin and collagen effects. So for healing wounds or surgery scars, it's going to have just a better effect on getting that to actually coagulate and heal faster and prevent the scar tissue. 660 does it as well. But 660 deals a little bit on a different dermis level than the 630 so having those combined, you're getting that synchronistic effect in the near infrared. Combined with the red, we have 810 830 and then the 850 that's typical in the market. 830 just goes a little bit deeper in the layers as well. And 810 is super cool. A lot of products don't have that at all. It's strong enough to go through the cranium. So there's a lot of human doctors that are doing amazing work on autistic kids, paralyzed kids, paralyzed humans, all kinds of cognitive issues by using 810, on the brain. And so it's strong enough to go through that cranium of our skull, which is super thick, but that also means then for the rest of the body.
Jackie Jolie 35:00
810, is going to go all the way into your vertebrae, the nerves, the bone marrow, that's all in that structure. So any type of IVDD and spinal issues that we have with our animals, and then any type of head trauma, you're going to be able to use that, and like with our dog blanket, you know, we have the little collar that goes around, but you could always, like, scoot it up for just an actual head treatment if you wanted to. So I was really happy, and wanted to include that in our products as well.
Dr. Judy Morgan 35:24
And that's interesting, because that was one of the things when we first got our laser. And people were like, I there was one veterinarian who was telling people, oh, just go get the little laser pointer at the drugstore and use that on your animal. And I was like, That is not penetrating, yeah, anything, you know. So if you've got a big dog with hip dysplasia and you want to get into that hip joint, you need something that's going to get more than that first centimeter through the skin, yep. And I think that's why, you know, sometimes people have tried different products and said, Oh, this doesn't work. That. You know that the red light thing, they mean, yeah. And it's because we're not getting that penetration down to the level where it's needed.
Jackie Jolie
Yes, the penetration, along with, like, the time and dosage again, contact method, right? Like, having a blanket like this is giving the full body, so even though you're treating the injured site too, the whole body is now getting that rush of light and circulation like, hey, let's send white blood cells here. Let's send collagen here. Let's send hyaluronic acid here to the joint to help it. And yeah, with, you know, dogs and horses that have a lot of fur, now, that might be a case too, where I say, Well, you have a dog that has a lot of hair, or a horse that has a lot of hair, you might need to do 30 minute sessions to be able to get that still 10 to 12 joules per centimeter squared into that injured area. If they have a dark coat, black, dark Bay, things like that, they're probably going to need a little bit more light, right? Because it deflects the light, instead of like a white skinned horse or dog.
Dr. Judy Morgan
We used to have that same thing. When we would use our laser for the animals in the clinic, it was like, Okay, well, how thick is the hair? Can we part the hair? Yeah. Do we have dark skin? Do we have light skin? Yes, yeah, absolutely. All of that makes a difference, and it's Yeah, and that's the kind of thing that I think has stopped a lot of us from saying to pet owners, yeah, you can use this at home, because it was like, oh, there's all these different variables that need to be and luckily, our $25,000 label laser had settings on it where you would set it for dark skin or light skin, thick coat, you know, all these different things, and it would give us the algorithms for the time needed, the settings that were needed. And just a little handheld with no different settings is a little more difficult for the average pet owner to use. We're going to take another break to hear from our sponsor. When we come back, we're going to talk more about what this can be used for in your pets and probably yourselves at home. Stay tuned.
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Dr. Judy Morgan
welcome back to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. I'm your host. Dr Judy Morgan, my guest today, Jackie Jolie, has been enlightening us about quantum biology, which is basically talking about lights and photons and and light therapy for us and for our pets. And we've been talking about this red light therapy. And she's got some great products. But you know, whether you use these products or a different product, we all, we all need to get light into our lives. So for this last segment, I'd like to focus on the different types of things that this kind of therapy can be used for, and for those who don't have access to this kind of therapy, what are some things that they can do for themselves and their pets, just in their everyday life, that could improve our our our light intake?
Jackie Jolie 39:14
How much time do we have left?
Jackie Jolie 39:17
Yeah, no, that's fantastic. So again, kind of building on everything we've already chatted on in this podcast. We really do need to start seeing light as a supplement and a vitamin we are deficient. So when people are like, well, what can I use it for? And if I do have that healthy dog that's young, you can throw it at everything, and there is enough science to back it up. You can literally go on and Google, you know, red light therapy and cancer, red light therapy and arthritis, red light therapy and surgery. And then there's even a performance enhancement effect, which is fantastic with my background in body work, that's all I'm working with, is performance horses and dogs, and there's already science showing in the human field that even for like body lifters, they had a 5% increase in their PR, which is their personal record after only one eight minute session of red light therapy, about an hour before performance.
Jackie Jolie 40:00
really cool. Like, think racehorses and like agility dogs and working dogs, right? So it can even be used for that energy production, but it can also, then even still be used afterwards for that recovery and rebuilding of the soft tissue that you just created micro tears in to build more muscle and to perform. So honestly, when people ask me, like, you can throw it at everything. It's only going to help, right? Balding, no hair, growing hair back. A lot of the benefits.
Dr. Judy Morgan
That's Funny, because I've seen advertised online, those little caps, little lights work. And I think what a bunch of hooey
Jackie Jolie
it works. I will say, on the human side, be prepared. It will take some time. And of course, it depends on the human how consistent are they, you know, how much do they believe in it? On the on the animal side, it happens pretty quick, but animals don't have that, you know, monkey brain that we have, so it just happens because they're much more present. So the healing can happen faster. But I pretty much say you can throw it at everything. The only thing light therapy is not going to fix or cure is, like, if you have a bone on bone joint, you know, or really severe arthritis, like, the damage has kind of been done to that structure. So it's not going to rebuild a joint capsule. We don't have anything that's doing that yet. I'm sure they're doing it in research and working on it, but we don't have anything that actually rebuilds a whole joint capsule. However, the benefits of decreasing inflammation, increasing circulation. Red light therapy has a natural pain relieving effect that's even outperforming NSAIDs, and that's in an article which is amazing
Jackie Jolie 41:26
nerve regeneration and then hydrating soft tissue. So everything around that bone on bone, joint that gets really tight and stuck in, the fascia has pain, gets stiff. It's going to help loosen and hydrate all of that so that you get better range of motion, takes the pain away, so then at least you or that pet are more comfortable in their mobility, which brings on longevity and feeling and moving better. So it will still aid, even in a severe case like that, that it's not going to fix that joint. Now, cancer is another topic that people are always very cautious around, no matter what you're trying to treat it with okay?
Jackie Jolie 42:02
And yes, in red light therapy, there does seem to be the mindset of like, okay, well, if the light's going in and giving more energy to a cell, we don't necessarily want to give more energy to a cancer cell, right? And I get that, that thought process, it makes sense. However, in the research that's at least been done so far, because, again, they're very cautious with it. We haven't seen any type of overgrowth of cancer or the animal actually dying from starting the red light treatment. And like, I have the top light therapy vet on my advisory board, and so I've asked him a gazillion times, you know, like, what about cancer? I've got clients that have dogs with cancer, like, you know, how do I proceed with this? And you know, he's traveled the world, going to vet conferences and working with vets have been using lasers and red light therapy. And he's like, Jackie, it just doesn't happen. We've just never had, out of the 1000s of animals we've put this on, it just hasn't happened. And I did have a client that had a smaller dog that bought the blanket. They already had pictures of the tumors inside of him, so they weren't really operable, or she wasn't going to go there. She's much more holistic based, and she's like, I just want him to be comfortable until the time comes, you know? And so I was like, Okay. And she was already getting ultrasounds like every like three or four months just to check in on the tumors and see if there was any new ones or anything that kind of looked scary. And so she had the blanket, I'd say, probably nine to almost 12 months while he before the demise of him passing at like 18, and each scan that they had, at least, we saw that there was never any new tumors, and the tumors that they had already measured had not grown. So there was no deteriorate effect of adding the red light therapy, but just by him having the red light therapy, she saw brighter, eyes, more energy, he moved better. So, you know, maybe we gave that dog six or eight months more of life with that
Dr. Judy Morgan
of good quality, because that's that's really what you don't want them suffer. As you're saying this, my brain is going to the new injections on the market for dogs with arthritis that aren't walking well and that are causing so much harm in killing so many animals. Yes. And I'm thinking, you know, here's a natural thing that we could try first that has no side effects, isn't going to kill your animal, might be a much better alternative.
Jackie Jolie
Yes, and something on the cancer cell theory and ideology too. And I know you're a big believer of this, because you already believe in just nature and holistics, knowing that our body, our body, wants to heal if it's given the right environment, right? And so even in the thought process of like, well, we're going to give light to the cancer cells, our bodies are very intelligent, like, way more intelligent than we even know and have done in research, right? And so if we're already not giving credit to the body knowing, like, I'm going to take this light that you just gave me and I'm going to put it into, you know, white blood cells and red blood cells and circulation, and give energy to the good cells, because I know that's what my body needs to heal. And again, animals are way more present than we are. And so again, we need to trust that their body is going to know best, and their body is going to take that light and use it for what they need to so I always like to try to promote that message as well. And then in the topic of.
Jackie Jolie 45:00
Injections as well, and joint injections, because we see that a lot in horses, correct the steroid injections, we're now starting to see actually, like deteriorate the joint over time, especially for as much as we're putting it in, and it's a steroid, right? So your liver and kidney still have to metabolize all that and get overburdened. Now, at least, we're doing PRP and stem cells. That does seem to be a newer technology that's taking hold and doing better at actually trying to heal the health of that capsule. There was a research article that came out last year that actually showed, you know, with the stem cells, which is more expensive, but does work when it goes into the joint, all those stem cells don't always have all their instructions, per se. And so the efficacy rate of stem cells are around 50 to, like, 60% sometimes less, depending on the case. And so they actually did research where they did red light therapy immediately after the injection, and then days behind that, and it actually increased the efficacy rate of that joint injection by like, 70% and so it's just that photon is going in and giving that stem cell like directions, like, hey, you need to stay right here and heal this area, like, right here. So it's coming, and it's exciting, because, like, the everything's on the table, you know, for research. And we're, I'm very big into that just myself and as the owner. Like, I want case studies. I want to throw light at everything. I want to get data behind it. So really, you can try it everything. Like I said, Marley was kind of our biggest case study. On the dog side. We're working on the perineal hernia on the horse side, we do have leg wraps and bell boots right now that are available for horses, but we're coming out with a full blanket. All of our blankets are actually patented with a belly band design. And so I think Dr Nick Thompson, that was at your conference, also talked about like the gut lining. And we know that there's so many gut microbiome issues, right? And horses have ulcers and gut microbiome issues. And so do we? Our gut has light receptors on it. How many times do we put our belly out in the sun? Right? Probably never, once a year, maybe when we take a beach vacation. And so with the kind of wavelengths that we have, and by having a belly band now that can be on that ventral line that we kind of forget about, with our animals being quadrupeds, it's kind of out of sight, out of mind. And so that belly band can now innervate with the gut microbiome and help heal it. There's already scientific articles on humans that just red light alone is healing the gut lining. So I think of again, we don't have to stuff a bunch of, you know, steroids or medications or something down to try to help that. Maybe we can compound both of those things together and stack it with like a natural supplement. But we're also going to be able to innervate now with the lungs and the heart, all of your different intestinal and organs there and then, if you think of all your animals that have C section scars, bloat scars, colic scars, spay and neuter, that all attaches to other soft tissue and organs inside the body. So if we can have something like this, pre and post op surgery in clinics, and then something they can rent and send home with the patient, and then the patient can buy their own. We're just going to be helping that animal just heal and recover, and that's what we want, right? Sure. So that was kind of the idea behind the design and how we powered it. Now, if somebody can't get their hands on this, so to answer the last part of your question, obviously, nature is always the OG healer, and us as a company, we will always promote that. I will always tell you, put your dog outside. It's free, and it will do more healing than even my product will, honestly, because then you're getting all of the spectrum. But in consideration with that number one, nothing can ever replace the sun. So get your animal outside as much and often as possible. Get them on some grass or dirt where they can ground. That's the magnetism pillar of quantum biology, again, a whole nother podcast topic,
Jackie Jolie 48:25
water, any of that is healing the fresh air, and then also the important part of that that we miss. Oh, I stay outside working all day long. I was like that when I got sick. I work on horses outside, I work out, I ride, I strength train. I wasn't making my nights dark, so I wasn't getting the night part of the circadian rhythm, and so we have artificial lights that are telling our bodies it's noon, because that would be the only time we'd get blue light in the middle of the day. And you're still just wrecking your clocks, even if you stay outside all day long. So what I always promote and will push as we end this conversation is you need light and dark cycles so as much natural sun that you can go out and get you need to make your nights dark. So that means going back to red light bulbs, incandescent light bulbs, fire candle those are all things that won't interrupt your circadian rhythm along with your pet's circadian rhythm,
Dr. Judy Morgan
you know, and we don't think about that enough because so many things in our households. So my alarm clock has a light, bright LED light, and I have
Dr. Judy Morgan 49:27
an electric toothbrush that plugs in and has a bright green light. And the thermostat on our wall has a blue light, everything. And if my phone doesn't click off, it's emitting light. So as much as I try to block out everything, there's still all these things in our house that are just lit all the time. Yes, and it's really interesting, because I have found that my sleep cycle is much better if I somehow block all those different things. and try to really, actually get into a dark space. And I think our animals just rarely get into that totally dark space.
Jackie Jolie
Yep, absolutely. So that will be our that will be our larger mission, that we're going to bring as an educational platform and really start teaching about circadian rhythm and quantum biology, light water and magnetism to the animal industry, because it's the message that needs to be spread.
Dr. Judy Morgan
So just imagine if you live somewhere like Sweden, and it's light all summer and it's dark all winter,
Jackie Jolie
I would struggle. I think our bodies are very good at adapting, right, like even us as fair skinned people, our ancestors went from Africa to Eastern Europe to America. So we do adapt. Our bodies are incredibly resilient. They really are. We need to give them more credit than we do.
Jackie Jolie 50:49
We can adapt. So I think in areas like that, if they're from there, or they live there a long time, your body does somehow find a way to adapt to that. Maybe we weren't meant to inhabit those areas with long light cycles and light dark cycles. But I think once you live there long enough, you could probably adapt. If you don't and you're getting sick, guess what? Move like, it's gonna be your only answer. Like, if you get really sick, you're not gonna have an option. That will be the ultimate, you know, kind of choice. But most of the time, you can find a lot of light environment and changes that you can really light that powerful, like when I was healing myself, I saw physiological changes in two weeks, and I couldn't believe it, and I tried everything, you know, so it's a very powerful modality,
Dr. Judy Morgan
absolutely. And you know, you brought up briefly the grounding and getting in the soil. And again, you live in the city, you never you're grounding on concrete. It's very different.
Jackie Jolie
Or most people wear shoes all day long, shoes, right? I'm a barefoot, feral hippie, so I'm barefoot most of the time.
Dr. Judy Morgan
I love being barefoot, too. I love it. It's funny. When I left New Jersey, one of the things that I said is, and Susan Thixton, who lives in Florida, she's originally from Kentucky, she said the same thing. And I totally go with this, which is, I don't want to live somewhere where I can't wear sandals all year round. Like, I really, I would love to be barefoot all year. Yes, I would love to wear sandals all year. When I have to put real shoes on, it's like, oh, this is awful.
Jackie Jolie
You can't wait to take them off, you know,
Dr. Judy Morgan
like I put them on to go do what I need to do. And it's like, let me get home and get back to my my feet
Jackie Jolie
same it's so important. We literally have a natural it's called the Schumann resonance. Everybody can go Google that we have a natural electromagnetic field that comes from Mother Earth. And the trees feed off of it. The plants feed off of it. Every living thing, just like the sun feeds off of it, and it's a very low magnetic field. So again, if we were to talk about cell phones and cell phone radiation and Wi Fi, and all the things that bring up much stronger magnification, that's not healthy. It is healing from the ground. And this research they've already done as far as like voltage measuring humans while they put their foot in like a creek or in the sand. It is instant, and it is super powerful. And there's so much research showing like diabetic patients being able to heal wounds that nobody else could heal in a hospital setting or with steroids or medications. And they just started grounding every day, just putting their bare feet on the ground for 5-10, minutes a day, and their wounds just healed quick. Interesting. It's super, super powerful, and that you can't I mean, you can get grounding sheets, and that's like, that's all becoming a new biohack, too. But if it's not grounded to the earth outside, you're actually just creating non native EMFs, which is causing inflammation. And it's just like, stop buying all the gimmicks. Just go outside, put your bare feet outside, with no sunglasses, no sunscreen, not a lot of clothing, and you will heal faster than anything that you've ever been prescribed or told
Dr. Judy Morgan
it's funny, you mentioned the sunglasses because my my daughter, I have dark eyes, and she has dark eyes. My husband is very light eyes so he's more light sensitive. But she came in one day and she said, I'm not wearing sunglasses anymore. And I went, really, why? Because she competes in outdoor Scottish Highland Games, and so she always wore sunglasses. And she said, Because I just read this article about how important it is for the light to actually get into our eyes, and it does so much for our whole body, and we're not supposed to wear sunglasses. And I went, Well, that's good, because I don't, I don't do that like I'm an anti sunscreen, anti sunglass. I'm like, Well, great. My instinct was right, and now we have articles to prove it isn't that amazing,
Dr. Judy Morgan 54:24
but it is. You know, we've just gotten so far away from Mother Nature. Jackie, I really appreciate all the information you brought. That was, that was like an entire textbook full of information, rapid fire, but, but really, really good. And I look forward to trying some of these products with some of my animals, and actually some people in my family, I think we're not supposed to talk about animal products being used on people, but these are perfectly fine but if you decide to do that. That's.
Dr. Judy Morgan 55:00
Yes, you know nobody that the red light police are not going to come to your house and arrest you for using some red light on your body that was made for your dog or cat. So all right, everybody, take good care of your pets and go outside. You can listen to these podcasts outside. You know you can go do that. Thank you, Jackie, it's been fun.
Jackie Jolie
Thank you so much. It was my pleasure.
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