Intro 0:00
My guest today, Dr. PJ Broadfoot, has a solo practice in Van Buren, Arkansas. If you're ever desperate, take a drive to Van Buren, Arkansas. I think, based on this lecture, you're gonna find out she can cure anything using all kinds of crazy new, well, new, new at the time methods to heal your animals. I just learned so much. You are going to love this. Stay tuned.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Hello, and welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets Podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Judy Morgan, and my guest today, Dr. PJ Broadfoot, has the most interesting stories that I think you will hear anywhere in integrative medicine, so stay tuned for something really amazing. PJ, thanks for agreeing to be my guest.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 0:52
Thank you for inviting me.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:54
Oh, you're always so much fun. So we were discussing before we went live that years ago we met in, might have been the first time we met in person, but it was at Ty Bollinger's filming for The Truth About Pet Cancer, and if you haven't seen it, it's a seven part series, go back and watch it, it's a few years old, but it's amazing information, lots of integrative veterinarians interviewed on there with just a ton of information. So, during that meeting, and I think it was at lunch, you told the story of your beginnings in veterinary medicine. So, you graduated in 1981 and one of your first jobs out of school is something that many of us would one absolutely love to do and two be scared to death to do, so tell us the story, because it's it's it's just great.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 1:55
so at the in 1981 they filmed the mini series The Blue and the Gray, then and almost all of that, as far as I know, all of that was shot in Arkansas, and I actually went to the, not to try outs, but because I wasn't planning on being in it, but they were looking for people that could ride, which is a funny story in and of itself, but somehow somebody got wind of the fact that I was a veterinarian, well, they had a horse that there was a scene where there's a where they use what's called a falling horse, so it's a trained horse that comes from California that falls like pick up the reins and the horse falls down, because it was a scene in the streets where it's basically blown up, so and the people were starving, so they were cutting up this horse for food, so, so, anyway, they hired me to do this, this scene, and so I put, they, when they came to do the scene, I said, I'm going to put this horse down for 15 minutes, and that is all you have is 15 minutes, so they actually had more time than that, so I gave, I dropped the horse with rompin and ketamine in the scene, stuffed his ears with cotton, covered his eyes. They did the scene, and when the, when the scene was over, I pulled the cotton, took off the blindfold. The dog, the horse stood up and walked off. And so the director was just like, I've never seen anything like that. So he liked me. He was huge. He's like six foot four or something, and every time he'd seen me, he'd pat me on the top of the head. and I was very small at the time, so they liked me well enough that they hired me to go up to Northwest Arkansas, where most of that was shot, and the, the, they had like 60 head of horses, some of which were long yearlings. They weren't broke, some of it was so crazy, and they were all sick. Of course, they all had like shipping fever. So we treated all those horses, and then when they got well, they had some scenes, you know, where they're running down hills, the things are blowing up, and people are getting bucked off. They were really getting bucked off because the biggest majority of those people really couldn't ride, they just thought they could, and they were riding Broncs, so perfect. And then I had two horses that worked on the movie, then they made more money than a lot of the extras, and they broke one of my horses to drive on the set, so the guy who did the horses for the man from Snowy River broke my mare to drive. Oh, cool. So, on there, so that's that was a funny story too. That whole thing was full of funny stories. So, anyway, the falling horse that I was talking about was like a 30 year old horse, and he decided to colic, and he coliced I mean, I'm just out of vet school.
Dr. Judy Morgan 4:38
I was gonna say, you are a very brave new young vet, but I have to say, in that era, in the early, because I graduated in 84 we were all really brave coming out of school, stupid, stupid brave, you know? It wasn't this, get mentored for two years, it was you hit the ground running, I mean, I had an employer, but he, I was there for a week, and he left for three weeks, and just left me by myself. I mean, that was just the norm
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 5:08
We had some of those cases too, and they were not very good, so I don't think I'll relay him on this. But anyway, so anyway, that I'd used every drug that that school taught me, and I thought, I don't know what else to do. I mean, this horse was not good, and I remembered something that one of the veterinarians said about, you know, putting poop down, so I took poop from several different horses and mules, and I made a slurry, and I put it down with a nasogastric tube, and it was a miracle, and I was like, oh my gosh,
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:39
the very first fecal transplant for PJ Broadfoot.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 5:43
Yes, and then I didn't do it again for like 30 years, and like, how dumb can you be? But, but it was, it really was, it was truly miraculous. That horse went on to survive, and and went back to California,
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:56
and everybody on the movie set is like, okay, she just cured that horse with poop
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 6:01
Yeah, yeah. Well, some of the, some of the wranglers that were there did think that was a little odd, but it's so funny because so many things that you, there they were just like little pieces of information that you hear, and it's like then it comes back later.
Dr. Judy Morgan 6:19
Well, and thank goodness they did. Otherwise, they would not have had that horse to go back to California.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 6:25
All I could think of was this horse is going to die on my watch, and I am just out of school,
Dr. Judy Morgan 6:32
and it's not going to be good,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 6:35
That will be the end of my favorite, my favorites thing with the director. He would look for me, would, and he'd say, "Where's little Paula? Put her in this scene. So, so there was a scene where I was where the Lincoln was talking off the back of the plane, a plane, a little head of Civil War, the train, and my horse is standing right here, and he's, and I'm standing by her head, and he said, "Where's little Paula? He had me come stand right there, you know, where I'm in the camera, and so my cousin, who was like 12 years old and living in Arizona, when they showed this, they showed it as a, you know, school thing, and he said, "That's my cousin. They said, "Yeah, right, Russ. He said, no, really, that's my cousin,
Unknown Speaker 7:23
So, did you open your practice in Arkansas after that?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 7:29
Yes, we came back from a Christmas vacation and did not have a job, so my husband and I are both veterinarians.
Dr. Judy Morgan 7:36
Oh, I didn't know that.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 7:37
Yes, yes. Well, it was like sink or swim, we either.. this is January. Fortunately, the movies pay ridiculous amounts of money, so we had enough money that was supposed to be a down payment on something, but it ended up keeping us alive for five months, and we.. we.. and we couldn't get a bank to loan us $5,000 $5,000 Now it's like, I need 30,000 When do you need it?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 8:03
Somewhere in there, but yeah, they were there. We couldn't find a bank to loan us the money, and we just wanted to rent a little building. And maybe we should have asked for $30,000 5000 didn't seem like enough. We borrowed it from our parents, from Jeff's parents, and we rented a building, built some walls in it, and started out like I remember when, like, $400 was a big week, so we had people, you know, just gradually started moving in. There was only one other veterinary clinic in the county at the time, so we just, you know, did started small.
Dr. Judy Morgan 8:37
This is the same clinic that you still have?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 8:39
Yes. Well, we moved down the road to a slightly larger postage stamp clinic, and you know, seemed big when we moved in, but it's we kind of outgrown it really fast. Yeah, we got too many toys, and I can't get any more. People ask me to buy something, it's like I don't have room for anything else, I have to build onto the clinic. So, yeah, we started, we started on our own. Well, that that may, when we started the clinic, we decided that if we were going to eat, one of us was going to have to work somewhere else. So Jeff went to work for the USDA, and he stayed with him until he retired. So, like, 30 or 35 but we started having children, we couldn't afford the insurance,
Dr. Judy Morgan 9:19
so working for the USDA was a good way to have insurance and a steady income.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 9:25
because you know people don't realize, you know, fortunately for us, we started at a time when you know kids now they get out of school with this huge debt. We didn't have debt, so we had, you know, we could put everything back into the practice as long as Jeff kept us in food,
Dr. Judy Morgan 9:43
food and insurance, yes. So he stayed with USDA, and you stayed with the practice. Now, obviously, you've already done something integrative, because you gave poop to a horse, but at what point did did you really kind of narrow that focus, and say we really are going to be this more holistic integrated practice, or was that right out of the gate?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 10:05
No, no, it was not. It was like one piece, you know, the old Johnny Cash song, one piece at a time. That's kind of what it felt like. I started using Choline, choline loading in 1982 from an article that I read on senility in dogs, and then there was something in there about using it for frequency and severity of seizures in humans, and I wish I could find that article at one time I had it,
Dr. Judy Morgan 10:32
you know, I remember reading that same thing when I started getting more integrative, I used choline a lot, and I got away from it over the years. You're probably still using it.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 10:44
I am.
Dr. Judy Morgan 10:45
I got away from it over the years, and I probably shouldn't have
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 10:47
No, no, because it actually has some detox potential. There's a lot of, lot of liver parameters that it's that it's good for. So, but anyway, so we, we would, we use it on dogs that were taking massive amounts of phenobarb, and we could get them to gradually drop the amount of phenobarb to rational amounts of, you know, anticonvulsants. It was, it was pretty anti epileptic drugs, was pretty amazing. So I started using that, and then, you know, I had a horse that had tying up syndrome, and I have a really, really good friend. I rode with him before vet school. I applied, people don't give up. I applied to vet school three times.
Dr. Judy Morgan 11:24
There you go.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 11:25
The first time, they..
Dr. Judy Morgan 11:26
Where did you go to vet school?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 11:27
Kansas State,
Speaker 1 11:28
Kansas State.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 11:28
And there was the first year, there was like 1300 applicants for 80 positions, so you know there it's a weed out, just anything they can do to weed you out. So the first year they said, oh, your chem didn't transfer, my it transferred as general chemistry 10 hours, I'd take Chem again the next year I applied, and they said, "Oh, your organic chemistry didn't transfer at all, so I'd take organic. I about had a minor in chemistry by the time I got out
Dr. Judy Morgan 11:56
my degree from Rutgers was seven credits away from a chemistry degree, and I hate chemistry.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 12:03
Oh well, except that mine probably wouldn't have added together. I did have enough for a minor in genetics by the time that was.. oh, I love genetics. I had the best teacher in genetics, and because I didn't want to take.. I was in animal science, and I didn't want to do meat slab. I mean, I was crying.. I did not want to do meats lab because you didn't do the kill floor
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 12:21
and I was just like, wouldn't even kill the chicken in poultry science, so I still don't kill, won't kill chickens, I know you've done some, but I haven't done it yet, so I'm gonna have to steel myself to learn that, but anyway, I went in, I was just wailing about it, and my favorite teacher in pre-vet was taught genetics and horse science, and he said we'll figure something out. So I ended up with, like, 10 hours in upper.. well, I had molecular genetics, plant genetics, biostatistics. I did two 10-hour papers, genetic on horse genetics. So I trained, he just managed to substitute rather than meat labs
Dr. Judy Morgan 13:06
Somehow they don't seem quite the same.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 13:08
No, they were not the same. But you know what, I've never had.. I've never needed to use anything. I mean, I was in pre-vet and I was determined to get in, so.. and when I finally did, there, you know, it's the Inquisition. Do you have the inquisition for
Dr. Judy Morgan 13:21
my inquisition was all about pigs, because they knew I was a little horse girl. So, at University of Illinois, every single interview question was about pigs. What's the gestation period for a pig? You know, like all these pig questions and
Dr. Judy Morgan 13:38
I was in, I was animal science.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 13:40
Oh at least you got that
Dr. Judy Morgan 13:41
well, and I had just finished, I had just finished the pig, I had a whole semester of pig class.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 13:48
Oh, good for you.
Dr. Judy Morgan 13:49
So you know they're firing questions at me, and I'm firing answers at them, and they were like, we can't trip her up, and I'm like, well, keep asking pig questions, and I'm good for right now, but you know, so. but it really was, I mean, I remember when my mother was calling all the different universities, where I, because I was trying to figure out where to go for undergrad, and I, stupid me, I was thinking, well, if I went somewhere for undergrad, because I'm from Jersey, and you know, we don't, didn't at the time have a vet school, so I was like, well, if I go somewhere for undergrad, like Texas A and M, and they have a vet school, then I'm more likely to get in
Dr Judy Morgan 14:25
Texas A and M said, "No, you're not, don't even bother. And I went, "Okay, thanks, because there's a lot. I still hold it against them.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot
Texas is big, and they have a lot of students,
Dr. Judy Morgan
so we ended up calling Rutgers, and they were like, "Oh, yeah, we get in more students than anybody else for New Jersey students, so this is really your best bet, and I was like, well, great, in-state tuition, not far from home. I mean, it's an hour and a half, but was like, oh, this is easy, but it was still the chances of getting in, it was 13 applicants for every one position, and particularly for women at that time, it was even harder. Now it's easy for the women,
Dr. Judy Morgan 14:59
easier. For the women than the men, but so you know it was the same thing, like here's these jillion applicants,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 15:07
yeah, and they've got to find things to weed you out,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 15:10
So the third year I applied, this friend of mine that I had, that I had ridden with, he had gotten his first big case was my horse, who put her foot through a divider panel in a trailer and cut the third. I did not know she fractured the third phalanx. Then she developed a secondary bone infection, you know. And she's in camp in Wichita, and I'm at K-State. He slept in the stall with her one night when she coliced. Wow. So, anyway, he's been a really good friend forever and ever and ever and ever. Well, he wrote her, wrote a letter the first, the third year I applied. He wrote a letter, and said, "Let her in, she'll be good.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 15:43
So that's probably a little more embellished than that, but so they asked me genetics questions.
Dr. Judy Morgan 15:49
Oh gee, what a miracle.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 15:52
So got in, survived, it was good. So anyway, whenever I had, he moved from Kansas to Indiana, and I had a every time I had a horse question, I'd call Marty, and I had a horse that was tying up, and I called, and he said, "Oh, well, try DMG, and he said, "They got this stuff that's pretty good for arthritis, it's called glycoflex, and I thought, "Well, I'm ordering this, you, you know, they didn't go through the, through the, the channel. channels, then I mean, you had to get from Vetera Science, and so, so I called, and I said, well, I guess I'll get some glcoflex and some DMG for horses, they've, they've dropped their entire horse line, which is sad, but anyway, because that's what got me started, so you know, you tend to use the DMG, worked great, by the way,
Dr. Judy Morgan 16:39
I used that for quite a while, and got away from that too,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 16:41
I love DMG, so another one of those critical for so many functions, so the the glycoflex, though, I kind of used on like the last ditch effort dogs, it's like, okay, doc, if you can't, if you can't fix this one, can't get up anymore, I'm gonna put him down, you know, it's like I gotta find something else, it was amazing, and it changed the way I practice, because when I was in vet school, they had done the studies on butte retarding bone healing in racehorses, and you get out, it's like, what else is there? Yeah, we had butte and aspirin and arcwell, which must have been deadly, because didn't last very long. I kept the bottle of it just for the fun of it, but yeah, I've never seen that one in a long time. So, do you know that, if I'm not mistaken, the carprophin failed human trials?
Dr. Judy Morgan 17:33
Oh, yeah, yeah, it did. Little bit of liver failure on that carprophin.
Dr Judy Morgan 17:38
well, it's sort of, sort of like with the monoclonal antibodies against nerve growth factor failed the human trials. but shockingly, we have Lobrella and Cilencia for our animals.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 17:51
We just, let's just repurpose them.
Dr. Judy Morgan 17:53
We just repurposed it, and it's like, well, here's all the things that went wrong when we were studying it for humans, like, you know, rapid onset osteoarthritis
Dr. Judy Morgan 18:02
right? And if it does, it's just a cat, it's only.. it's not worth anything. And yeah, that's just another whole.. oh my god, don't get me started. Yeah, pull your hair out. I'll just pull my hair out. It's already turned gray, but there we go. We're going to take a break to hear from our sponsors, and PJ is going to tell us about some of the other things that she's gotten into over the years, which she's actually become a huge expert on. So, stay tuned.
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Dr. Judy Morgan
Welcome back, you're listening to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast, and my guest today, Dr. PJ Broadfoot, has just a wealth of information and amazing stories to go along with that information, so you know hopefully you're having a good time and getting some laughs out of today, but we're also talking about important stuff, so when you started using the joint supplements, I mean, they're their big ingredient that was kind of the first ones to really bring it along was the green lip muscle, the perna muscle, and I mean, we've discovered over the years just how amazing that stuff is.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 21:15
Yeah, it's not just joints, it does so much stuff, does so much stuff. It, they actually were studying it initially for cancer, so you know they were looking for things that, that could be useful, natural things that could be useful for cancer, and, and so somebody had thought maybe the Pernamussel might be useful. Well, it's not particularly, but well, yeah, there is a caveat to that. They discovered that the Maori Indians that lived along the coastal Maoris had virtually no arthritis, so it got, it got repurposed. That was a good repurpose. In fact, the first study that I had had read on it was New Zealand study on arthritis, and they had people with unremitting osteoarthritis and rheumatoid arthritis, I believe, and they had really startlingly good response rates, and these are people who had failed conventional therapy, so not only does it protect the gut, there's nine glycosaminoglycans in it. There are 53 fatty acids, three of which are distinctly anti-inflammatory: EPA, DHA, and ETA, which is like 300 times more potent than salmon oil as an anti-inflammatory. It's an amazing substance, plus vitamins and minerals, I like full plates. Yeah, I like the body to have. Let's see, you can have this, and I'm going to pick this and this and this
Dr. Judy Morgan 22:27
exactly. And I think that using those whole, whole plant extracts or whole muscle foods, animal, you know, the whole foods, so much more powerful than you know what the pharmaceutical company does, like we were saying, let's take a study this and they take out this one little chemical
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 22:47
and they synthesize it,
Dr. Judy Morgan 22:48
yeah, and then they make it synthetically and say it'll do the same thing and it never does,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 22:52
it doesn't, so one of the things that concerns me with the perna muscle now is that you know they're the advertisements on television for was it Omega XL, that is from the, that is from the greenlipped muscle, that's from that shellfish, but the problem is they have lots of powder left over that is defatted, so a lot of things that say Pernamussel is a defatted Perna muscle, so it does not have,
Dr. Judy Morgan 23:19
so you're getting the powder that
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 23:20
not the anti-inflammatory,
Dr. Judy Morgan 23:22
doesn't have the good stuff,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 23:24
and I don't think it has to be declared, so you know, I think you have to look at your sources carefully when you get those, because a lot of times it's like it's not enough to be therapeutic, it's not enough, but anyway, that was a, that has been a big thing, it can help the gut because it has N-acetyl glucosamine in it, primary coater of the mucous membranes, so we use it for bladder stuff, we use it for intestinal stuff, it has some anti-anxiety components to it, probably because of the leaky gut stuff, yeah, so it's it's an amazing resource, I mean it does lots of things other than what it says it does, and I said it doesn't, that it didn't have anti-cancer properties. However, there is a was a master's or a PhD thesis paper that was done. It does have some anti-cancer properties combined with dimethylglycine.
Dr. Judy Morgan 24:14
Ah, so DMG and Perna together. Is anybody making that product?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 24:19
Just me in my practice,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 24:22
buckets, we do not, we, it's not commercial, we don't have enough to sell,
Dr. Judy Morgan 24:26
so if you want to drive to Van Buren, Arkansas,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 24:29
well, I sell some, I send some to Judith Shoemaker,
Dr. Judy Morgan 24:32
oh well, then you go to Pennsylvania, those are your two choices,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 24:37
yeah, right now that's it's just too much stuff to make, my poor staff person goes in on like Wednesday afternoon and Saturdays to make buckets of different powders that we make, so yeah, we're not a commercial operation, but Perna is in a couple of those, and Perna is in the deer antler formula.
Dr. Judy Morgan 24:57
yeah, it's it is absolutely good stuff. And we might as well talk about deer antler next, since you brought it up. go out of order. So, yeah, the combination of deer antler and perna muscle is like super powered. We've got natural sources of glucosamine, chondroitin, hyaluronic acid,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 25:19
MAO inhibitors, serotonin in the deer antler, so yeah, there's it's just, and there's a couple of formulas, one that's, you know, we use mostly for like trauma and patients that are super arthritic, and that just has the deer antler and the perna in it, but the the one that has the five oral regeneratives in it, the deer antler, the perna, colostrum, thymus, and porphyra, all have evidence for regeneration. So, and here's a funny story. The porphyra, when we were, when we were building that formula, they don't. I love AFA algae. Love it, absolutely love AFA algae. Well, they don't grow anything like that in New Zealand. So I was looking through papers, and you know, to see what they had that was similar. Well, I found a red algae red algae, I want a blue green algae, but there was a paper that said it was an abstract that said that that it turned when they put it in with an oil, it turned oil green. I thought, how does the red algae turn the oil green? Well, it's an abstract, can't get the paper, so I called Barry and said, Barry, can you get this paper for me? So he calls me, says PJ, she's just over here in Christchurch, so I rang her, so next thing I know, I'm on a phone call with this researcher from New Zealand who's probably happy that somebody actually read her paper, and, and you're the one, it is a red algae, and it's a green algae in a red coat, so it actually does have, it is a, it does have green in it, so, and that boy, there, you know, you think about algaes just in general, they are magnificent bioreactors, because you know, they're, they're washed off under the onto the rocks, and then they're washed into the water, they're on the rocks getting sun bleach, and then they're back in the water. Well, they have to be able to adapt rapidly, their antioxidant potential is huge, so, so, anyway, because she knew, because she knew the people who harvested that, we got that algae, because it's a tight harvest, there's not that, you know, not that many people can get it, they don't harvest that much of it, so, so that's just that, just worked out. It was like one of those synchronicity things. I love synchronicity. My one of my favorite words is, was bashert, it's a Jewish word for meant to be.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 27:53
I don't know if I'm saying it right, but I like, I just like that. So my whole life has just been meant to be.
Dr. Judy Morgan 27:59
Oh, I say that all the time,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 28:01
so I was at the AHVMA, and I walked around the corner, and there's a display there, and I said, 'Oh, they have Perna in that. Well, you know, I've been using Perna forever. I hadn't used any deer antler, knew absolutely nothing about it, and I thought, 'Well, okay. So, you know, and so they kept talking to me, and I, and, and I, the next year we went to, I went to NAVC, and then, and had dinner with, like, 15 Israeli veterinarians, and they all used this deer antler, I'm thinking, okay, you can throw a rock across Israel, and all of them are using deer antlers, so there must be something to it, so I ordered some, we used it, go those cases, the first one I used it on was a dog that had failed a surgery for cruciate, and she was, I mean, the surgery went great, and the dog packed the leg, never used the leg. Well, she was starting to break down on the other leg, and she couldn't pee. I mean, she couldn't squat to pee. So, there, they were an hour away. Sometimes I wonder how people find me, but anyway,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 29:05
so I started seeing her. We did Homa talks. I hadn't even.. I don't think I even had Deer Antler when we first started, or I sent her to a friend of mine that did prolotherapy on her, and she was improving, but.. but I got the Deer Antler in, and I thought, okay, this is the case. Oh my gosh, I have video of that dog running, and I will say that, you know, she was a wimp. She was like a diva hurt. She was a little French spaniel, but oh my goodness, I mean, she not only was using the leg that she was starting to lose, she was using the leg she hadn't used in a year.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 29:37
So it's like, okay, I'm hooked. Okay, here we go, here we go. So I was at dinner one evening at NADC, a year or so later, and I said, you know, I'd really like to have a supplement made, and they said, what, what supplement, and I said, well, I got the dairy antler, I've been using Perna forever, I love colostrum. And I love the blue green algae, and I said I am a, I'm a huge fan of thymus extracts, or thymus glandulars, and they said we can do that, and I went really?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 30:12
so, but there hence went the porphyra, because I couldn't find the blue green algae I wanted, so, so that's what generated that penthogenesis,
Dr. Judy Morgan 30:22
and the pentogenesis is a veterinary line sold only through veterinary clinics. so tell us why you like thymus so much.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 30:31
Another one of those synchronicity, synchronicity things. When I.. so this goes back to another, another story. It goes back more to Homotox. First, so when I was, I got somebody gave me a copy of the Orange Book, the Orange Bible Homotox book, and it sat on my shelf. I took it out every once in a while, I leaf through, and I thought, I don't understand it. Close it up, put it back on my shelf,
and I had an osteosarcoma dog come in, and I mean this was before the internet. I was looking through, they didn't want to take the leg off. It was a big Irish wolfhound tumor, this big around, and I called Oklahoma State. They said, well, they're doing limb sparing in Colorado, but none of them come home, so they didn't want to do chemo, didn't want to take the leg off, and I even called Burzynski in Houston, that does antineoplastoids, lovely guy, but he said species and cancer specific, so obviously wasn't going to work on this osteosarcoma dog, so I pulled out the orange book and I called heal and I said I have an osteosarcoma dog, what have you got? So they sent me a half dozen things. They actually had a veterinarian, an MD on staff at the time, wonderful guy. And so that dog lived 18 months and was running and playing and compressed the bone. Wow, so quality of life was, and it actually shrank. It was, it was smaller than it was. this was using Homotox.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 32:03
this was using the Heal formulas. So you know, I went on every time there was a woman who had just started with them, so every time I ordered, she would send me a book or a CD or something on Homotox. So, so at some point in time, she said, How would you like to be the veterinary consultant for Heal, and I said, "Are you nuts? I said, "I don't know enough to do to be the consultant. She said, "You use more than anybody else, so if you want to learn something, teach it. So that's how I met Rick Palmquist, was he came to me as a Heal consult. They sent him to me.
Dr. Judy Morgan 32:39
So, for those who are listening, explain what homotoxicology is
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 32:43
So, it is complex homeopathics that are combined. Recawig found that there was patterns to disease that that lent themselves to certain combinations, like a lot of people. I'd heard about Traumeel, multiple times. That was the only one that I actually knew about there is life beyond Traumeel, obviously,
Dr. Judy Morgan 33:04
Tramiel, is the kind of the one people know about,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot33:08
That's their flagship product, and unfortunately, that's what they got sued over too Traumeel and lymphomaicide, so that's another awful story, but anyway, Rick had called me, or I'd called him as a heal consult, and he said, "You know, I was just reading about you, and bam, here you are.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 33:25
So we got to be best friends. We wrote a book together with Goldstein and the few other people. I will never do that again. That's, of course, I said that the first time.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 33:33
So, anyway, it's a.. it's complex homeopathics, and so at some point in time I became the veterinary consultant for Heal, which kind of branched itself out into other people too, so but anyway, they sent me, they said, "How would you like to be a speaker? I went, "Don't want to do speeches, so I went to their speakers training in Arizona, and next thing I know, I'm on a plane to Germany for their speakers training in Germany. I said they don't, they have no idea, they could be wasting a lot. I've never given a speech for them, and they are sending me to Germany, so which was an amazing experience. But there I had ozone, I had ozone with complex homeopathy and UVB, because I had the worst jet lag, it was awful, I was like completely fatigued, so they had, so I had that, and then they talked about thymus extracts, and I get back to the United States, and I think, where the heck do you find thymus extract? I looked for years, and I finally gave up. Now it's a big thing. The peptide thing is a big thing. I could not find any.
Dr. Judy Morgan 34:46
Is there a huge thing that's coming up? And I haven't - I've been using them personally, but have not gone down that road. Yeah, we need to take a break to hear from our sponsor, and I want to hear where you finally found the thymus extracts. Stay tuned.
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Dr. Judy Morgan
Welcome back. We're having a great time on the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast with my guest today, Dr. PJ Broadfoot, and we went to break and she said, I love what Steve Marsden says, where cases fall out of the sky from that great case dispenser in the sky, and I've never heard it put that way, but I absolutely love it, because Michele Allen and I used to say, well, I decided to adopt or foster this particular case, dog, cat, whatever, because it's got this problem that I don't know how to solve, I need to learn that, like, OMG, so we want to talk about thymus extract. What great case fell out of the sky for that one?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 38:28
Okay, well, so we'll go back to I was looking for it, couldn't find it, gave up. I just literally gave up, couldn't find any anywhere. So I had a rep come in from wasn't Symogen, they're they're based out of Tulsa, nice nice guy, and he said, "Hey, are you interested in thymus extract? It's like, yeah, so he had met somebody at one of the trade shows that had thymus extract, so a couple weeks later I get this box from Hawaii in the mail, and it sat on my counter, because the only thing I knew about for it was cancer, because that's what they had talked about at the Heal training, so it sat there, and it sat there, and it sat there, because I didn't have any cancer cases to treat at the time, thank goodness. So next thing I had this cat come in that has chronic vomiting, I mean, just chronic vomiting. I'm second or third veterinarian that's seen it. None of the drugs have worked. I even used some drugs on him, and I don't like drugs. None of the homatox worked, and they.. and that generally works really, really well. So we were to the end of these, his days, if you came towards him with anything in your hand, he would retch, I mean, start retching. So it's like you couldn't get anything down by mouth hardly at all. We fed him rectally, we gave him blue green algae and nutrients and stuff, and he was great about that. Didn't care if he added up his rear, but, but you could not give it to him by mouth. Well, and I hospital, I don't hospitalize, and she brought him in to put him down, because it'd been so.. this was such a long, protracted history on this cat, and I just nearly cried. I said I can't, he just doesn't want to be dead. He looked like death warmed over, but he just did not want to be dead. So I said, I'll keep him. So I kept him. I did. I was doing x-rays at the time. I don't anymore. We don't have enough staff for that, but I did a barium swallow on him, and it didn't move. It did not leave his stomach, and I thought, this can't be an obstruction for this long, it just can't. But anyway, I hate surgery too, and I did surgery, and I touched every inch of his intestines, and there was nothing in there, and it was like that couldn't possibly have helped, you know. In school, they used to say, if you know, do the surgery, you let the demons out.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 40:43
It didn't let his demons out
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 40:47
didn't work on him. He was still vomiting when he got up. So I finally was looking over there at that box of thymus, and I thought, you know, nothing else has worked, absolutely nothing else. Oh, just try this. So I mixed up the little vial of diluent and the thymus extract, which was also a funny story, because I didn't read the directions very well, and I gave him, I don't know, half cc, one cc, and it was an absolute miracle, is like, oh my gosh, what just happened here? I mean, it was like it was immediate, he started eating, keeping stuff down, you know? I think he was probably a chronic pancreatitus when I did the surgery on him. He had a split spleen. They found him in a dumpster, so he'd probably been damaged at some point in time, but I think he had a static ileus. He had a functional ileus, and
Dr. Judy Morgan 41:38
which means his guts
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 41:39
got just quit working, stopped moving,
Dr. Judy Morgan 41:42
laying there like a lump.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 41:43
Have no idea why the thymus worked. I still don't know. Haven't been down that rabbit hole
Dr. Judy Morgan 41:47
because that was gonna be my next question. So, why did thymus fix that?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 41:49
Well, thymus does. Thymus is the linchpin of the immune system. It's anti-inflammatory. It just does so many, many, many things. So, anyway, it's like I sent that cat home, not in a shoebox, they had brought a boot box to put him in. He went home alive and lived to be about 17. It was lived years
Dr. Judy Morgan 42:09
and just had that one injection?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 42:11
Yep, we did, we did, we did some other, you know, homeopathics and stuff on him at home, but just needed a jump start. He did, it was just amazing. So now I'm really hooked, but you know the good thing was because he wasn't a cancer case. I thought, what else does this work on? Well, yeah, so we.. I probably.. we've treated 1000s of patients with thymus extracts, both oral and injectable.
Dr. Judy Morgan 42:34
What do you use it for the majority of the time now, or is it kind of everything?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 42:41
Well, because if you think about it, nearly everything goes back to a disregulated, disordered immune system.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot2 42:47
so you know it has, it has tremendous capacity for down regulating stress and inflammatory. There's a on my website, there's a set of interviews, Dr. Ushijima is the most. Did you ever meet him? Oh gosh, he's the most lovely guy, and he's like in his 90s now, and he's probably he's sharper than I am, which is kind of embarrassing on my part, but but he, but he had worked with some, some physicians that you know, you say, well, do you think this would work if we put it on topically, and Dr. Usherjeem would say no, and they do it anyway, and it would work, and they had somebody that said, "You think this would work if we nebulized it? No, and they did it anyway. They had, like, a dozen patients with end-stage emphysema that got no less than 100% improvement in lung function by nebulizing thymus.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 43:40
so because of that, we've used it on horses with heaves and horses with other kinds of allergies. It, it was miraculous. I've got video of one of those horses.
Dr. Judy Morgan 43:51
So is thymus extract more readily available now?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 43:53
No not really, I think some of the.. of course not. No, that would be.. that would be too good. That would displace way too many drugs, you can still, you know, we actually use it off label because we can, because we have Amdoka that allows us to use things off label if there's nothing else, so we actually use the lyophilized vials, and we do some of that as an injection, you can use it orally, but we use it as an injectable on a daily basis, so it's, it's
Dr. Judy Morgan 44:27
do you have to get that from a specific lab that is making it?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 44:29
Yes. Well, there's, it's the PSNX Prime, but you know, the FDA put a big kibosh on some of that. You can't, they can't mix it with the colostrum anymore, you got to mix it yourself, it's a big pain in the neck, but yeah, you can still get it. You just have to go, they can't sell it from the human subsidiary anymore. You have to go through my website to get it, so hopefully that'll change at some point in time, but right now, at least you can get it
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 44:58
so it's sold with the. The with the colostrum, so you just have to mix it yourself. Yeah, no
Dr. Judy Morgan 45:06
The games we have to play,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 45:07
I know.
Dr. Judy Morgan 45:07
But amazing stuff,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 45:08
it.. it is. I, you know, it's kind of funny because there are a few things that, if I had to give up, I.. I'd have to do that practice. Thymus is one, the deer antler's another, the blue green algae is another. Blue green algae would be the last of my supplements to go, because it literally changed my life. So,
Dr. Judy Morgan 45:25
interesting. So, you have something about the color blue.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 45:30
Oh, that's a rabbit hole. I'm down, that I'm down. Yeah, what's that rabbit hole? I love rabbit holes. Yeah, so well stay tuned. We'll know more later. So, actually, the. that's kind of has a the blue green algae has is high in phycocyanin, and so spirulina is as well, so that they're those are the color blue. I mean, they've known forever that that has a specific frequency for healing. That's why we put a lot of our homeopathics in blue bottles. You'll find them in blue bottles. So the the big biohacker thing right now is methylene blue.
Dr Judy Morgan 46:02
Yeah, I've seen that
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 46:03
Yeah, I'm not sure that's the greatest thing
Dr. Judy Morgan 46:06
Like, they do autopsies on people and their brains are literally blue.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 46:09
Yeah, and they don't think that's the blue. No, and I'm sure it has some mitochondrial enhancement, but at, you know, I don't know that you want all those to be stayed. I think under some circumstances that might be good if you, if you're, if you're high in serotonin, if you're parasympathetic dominant, like really seriously parasympathetic dominant, you're already overloaded in serotonin, which is why people that are like that on SSRIs get psychotic because they're serotonin overloaded, so I don't think, and they tell you not to take it if you're on SSRIs, so, but you need to be looking at your what is your metabolism if you're not, if your autonomic nervous system is out of balance, you do not need it, whether you're on SSRIs or not. So, the other one I think that's fascinating is hematoxylin, which is another dye, it was studied, probably maybe 40 years ago, with DMSO anti-cancer properties. Fascinating stuff. The only problem that I have found thus far is that I can't find any that is not adjuvanated with aluminum or lead, neither of which I think are a great idea.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 47:15
so you know, I have not found one to use. I am using phycocyanin, which is my favorite color. It's the most beautiful, brilliant shade of blue, and you can buy it separately. You can buy phycocyanin that's been extracted as a powder. Yeah, so we're using that topically. We're using a little - we've tried a little bit orally. It does okay in food. Some dogs don't tolerate it by itself orally. Another one of those things that probably do well rectally, if somebody you know wanted to embark on, well, you know, the uptake from the rectal mucosa is huge, you know, we just have a kind of a, you know, heaven forbid that we should do that, but but they clearly shown that a lot of medications do better if you can rectally, so
Dr. Judy Morgan 47:58
they're just so well, they're much better absorbed at that end than they are at the other end,
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 48:02
they are, and they, and it bypasses the liver the first time, which is why you do Valium rectally in Status Epilepticus. So, anyway, that's I'm after I'm done with all this stuff for this conference, I'm down the blue rabbit hole, me and Alice in Wonderland, or something.
Dr. Judy Morgan 48:22
So, tell us about ozone.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 48:25
So, I had the ozone therapy when I was in Germany, and then I got home, and I thought, you know, I probably should get an ozone unit. Well, I didn't. It just kept, you know, I should, I should, I should, I didn't. So, my friend Marty, the one who got me started on the glycoflex and the dimethylglycine had been trying to get me to go with to Romania with them, they go on mission trips, you know, every couple of years, and then they were doing the first annual alternative integrative veterinary medicine conference at the university at a university in Romania, and he said, "You've got to come, so they got me invited, and I did homotoxin. He did ozone. Well, this is right when Covid was hitting, so we got there. He, I watched some of his therapies on horses, and I, and I'm on the plane coming back, and I think I'm, I'm going to get an ozone unit, because this was literally, I mean, when ozone, when Covid was really starting to ramp up, and it was hard to get an ozone unit for a while there. So I got back. Now I have three of them. I went from zero to three of them, so obviously I like them. So we got back from Romania the week before, everybody had to be back in the United States, so we missed all of that chaos in the airports, trying to get home, trying to get home, so yeah, so now, no, we use ozone, we probably don't use it as much as we, as we should, because I really do virtually know I be with. One staff person and me, that's why I stopped doing IV vitamin C. Much, I much as I loved it. We actually, that's another interesting story. So, IVC, I hadn't looked at for a long, long time, and I grew up in Wichita, like a couple of miles from Dr. Reardon's clinic, and when one of my staff people developed a really terrible cancer. I took her to Wichita to get IV vitamin C. Well, it turns out there was a professor - a professor - he was a researcher that was doing their stem cell work, and so I got to chatting with him. Well, next thing I know, I'm sending him placentas, and he is extracting stem cells for me and sending them back to me. So, we had placental stem cells that we used for cancer cases, along with the IV vitamin C, and I had a - I had a veterinarian in there that was absolutely one of the best veterinarians I've ever met. She could put a catheter in anything, and I mean anything. She was from Columbia, so she had never gotten her license in the United States. I kept telling her, all you have to do is do the NAV, get just get your license. Never did.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 51:09
she never did. So she had to work as a tech in the US. She was one of the best veterinarians I've ever met. but she did all my IV IVs for me, so that for the vitamin C therapy.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 51:19
Oh yeah, but it's just, it's too hard to maintain veins, and, and you know, keep up with it, and, but we had some, we had some really interesting results
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 51:33
So, another story,
Dr. Judy Morgan 51:34
you have so many great stories, I love them, but you know, the thing is, it really is true, like these cases fall out of the sky, and then you're like, all right, what do I got next?
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 51:44
And we have answers, you just have to look for them, and then sometimes God just throws them at you.
Dr. Judy Morgan 51:50
Well, there you go. I mean, try this, yeah, watch this. So, talk about hyperthermia.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 51:57
Well, so I was lecturing at AHVMA. I was lecturing one year, and there was a fellow sitting about, you know, four rows back, sat through all my six lectures, and just obviously wrapped with he was so interested in what I was talking about. Well, he came up and chatted with me afterwards. Well, he was the inventor of the sauna wave, which is the hyperthermia unit, and so I, we at lunch one day, I introduced him to Carvel, and all of these people, we have this like brain trust of people all standing around him while he's talking about this sauna wave, which is sound and and song, it has several frequencies programmed in, so there's a, there's a what's this, there's a music thing. What his first name was, Michael, but it all had to do with frequency, like we have changed the music, so it's a different frequency. So anyway, we, we, we, he sent me a, he sent me a unit to use, and we had some cases that were just unbelievable. And then, you know, he had a heart attack, and so, but his, his, there are several people, Judith has one, there's, it's mostly on the on the east side of the country, he was from Florida, but there's more and more data coming out that you know the hyperthermia interested me because of Coley's toxins, which was a physician that had a, I think, was a breast cancer patient that came in that had a, I don't remember, she had some kind of an infection, sepsis or whatever, and she ran an absolutely huge fever, and her breast cancer went in remission.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 53:45
So he started injecting this horrible cocktail of toxins, so they about had to put him into a medically induced coma. But a lot of those people, it's the heat, I think it was Paracelsus or somebody said, "Give me the power to generate a fever and I'll heal all ails,
Dr. Judy Morgan 54:02
you know, and that's really interesting, because we all get so freaked out over fevers, and they're there for a reason, that's the immune system saying, "Hey, I got to clean up this act. Yep, but we get really freaked out by it, and we immediately want to douse the fire
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 54:20
And body, definitely body defenses run in humans 10 times faster at 103 degrees.
Dr Judy Morgan 54:28
I'll bet
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 54:30
103 degrees, 100 degrees. Let's start sucking down the
Dr. Judy Morgan 54:35
advil, Tylenol and everything else.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 54:36
Yes, so you know very true. I got to put that to a test. Here's another story. Put that to the test one year. I do not generate a fever. I run low. That's my mother's fault. And I was sick one time, and I had been invited to go to a sweat lodge, and I thought, I don't feel good not to go to a sweat lodge, and I thought, well, you idiot, I mean, I didn't. I did not feel good, and so I. Went and I got miserably hot. Got out, it was gone by morning. It was gone, like so. Now, if I have a fever and I can get there, I go to Hot Springs in, in Arkansas, because they have the mineral baths, the volcanic mineral baths, and I got to put that to the test a few years ago, too, so I played hooky from the meeting, from the Arkansas meeting, because I just did not feel good, and I thought I'm gonna go heat up, and heated up, gone the next day, I'd been, I'd been dealing with that for over a week, and then I got an anniversary disease the next year, got it again, but it was lower, I was, I happened to be at the meeting again that year, so I went, took care of it. It was gone the next day. Next year, starting up, I thought I'm lecturing at NAVC, I can't afford to be sick. It was just a little blip. So that's called an anniversary disease.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 55:55
like you're revisiting at the same time this year, so that happens. People, if people pay attention, they'll often find that something kind of comes back to haunt them.
Dr. Judy Morgan 56:04
I get the anniversary disease every fall with the respiratory things. Now, now I know what to do.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 56:09
Thymus Extract,
Dr. Judy Morgan 56:09
I'm going to nebilize and get very hot. first of all, your stories are fascinating, and second of all, every story leads to a new discovered treatment method, and I can't believe we're out of time. This is, this is like one of the most entertaining interviews I've ever done. Thank you so much for your time, it's really appreciated.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 56:35
It's been a lot of fun.
Dr. PJ Broadfoot 56:39
Now that I just completely confused everyone.
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