Dr. Judy Morgan 0:00
Welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. Let's get to it. Hello, everyone. Welcome to Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. I'm your host, Dr. Judy Morgan. And my guest today is Sue London, a globally renowned award winning hospice pet doula and pet healer. She has helped 1000s of people and their pets through healing, coping with emotional trauma, as well as providing tools to deal with behaviors of difficult pets. She has dedicated her life to helping others to deeply connect with their own true self and with their animals, both living and crossing over. Her expertise is in sharing messages and helping pet owners understand exactly what their pet experiences before, during and after they take their last breath. Sue, thank you for joining me. This is fascinating.
Sue London
Great. It's wonderful to be here, Dr. Judy, and thanks for having me on the show.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Okay, so you say that you are a hospice pet doula. I just read a book about a human death doula, which was amazing. I didn't know there was such a thing. So what do you do? As a hospice pet doula.
Sue London
Okay, so I, from my own experience of dying twice myself, I help the pet owner understand what is going to happen to their pet. And that you know, what they're going to experience and kind of prepare the pet owner for what the journey is going to be, and to assure them that their pets are going to be okay and share my story of crossing over. To give them kind of an example of how beautiful heaven is, that's the first thing to prepare them. So then what happens is, sometimes, you know, if if someone has a pet that's, like, ready to across, it's an emergency, they'll reach out to me, and then I'm either on the phone with them while it's happening. Or we're talking through text, or, you know, whatever we have to do to make that work, we'll communicate. So it's up to their sometimes if someone's alone, they just want me on, like listening on the phone. So they have to say, Help what's happening, what's you know, Charlie feeling that kind of thing, then I'm there. So what is happening at that point, is I'm feeling in me physically, emotionally, mentally, and spiritually exactly what the pet is feeling. And I'm also feeling who is coming from the other side, I see them, and then any messages for the owner that they need to know. So do you want me to give me an example of... Okay, so my dog actually Gus, Gussy, he just crossed over
Sue London 2:38
July 30. Sorry, June 30. And what happened with him, he was just turning 17 years old, he's a King Cavalier Spaniel, beautiful dog. He was like a puppy, real talker and chasing balls, even at that age. I mean, I do healing on pets as well. So I mean, my dog got Reiki massages four times a day. So you know, he had they had the good life, right. So anyways, what happened? All of a sudden, you know, I get this message from Gussy that you're getting a new puppy mom. The worst thing I ever want to hear my dogs tell me because I know that they're getting ready to crossover at that point. So I said, You know what, like Gus, No, no, I want to have you here for a while. Mom, you're getting a new puppy. And I know that when I go to the other side, I'm going to be able to help you more. And I said, No, no, it's good. You know, you can stay. So then we we just started spending, you know, I listened to what I need to do and every step no matter what I'm doing, and that particular night I heard, you know, stay up all night with Gussy, take Gussy outside and wrap him in a blanket and just go look at the moon and the stars. And so while we were out there, he was telling me you know, I love you mom. And you know, we don't have much time together as we are at this time and place it's going to change. So I knew because I was feeling it. Our other dog was sniffing him a lot over the couple of weeks. And then what happened we stayed outside just about like two o'clock in the morning. And I was outside in my pajamas and I just thought like, this was a moment I knew that I was always going to remember and I didn't want to look ahead I just wanted to be in the present moment to really you know for Gus and I to talk. So he was telling me you know, I'm proud of you Mom, I love you. I'm not going anywhere. Like you know the things that a pet would tell their owner. So then I heard I this is like we were out there for about an hour and a half.
Sue London 4:39
So then we finally got to sleep. I slept on the floor beside him. And about five o'clock woke up. My husband was getting ready to go to work. And I said to my husband, I need to go have my shower. Now. He says you never have a shower at 5:30 in the morning. I said I need to have my shower. There's I don't I have to talk to follow through with that. So I had my shower and I said
Sue London 5:00
to Ross, you're not supposed to go to work that you need to be here because this is Gussy's final day, it just came out of my mouth. And a lot of times, like, I'm not thinking about it, but it will channel out of me. So like, they're using me and channeling. So I hear myself hear what, you know, my higher self is telling me. So Ross is like, no, no Gussy's gonna be fine. And everything's great. I said, No, No, you shouldn't go. Ross went out the door at six o'clock. At 6:30 Gussy's. Health changed drastically. And I was holding him I was doing healing on him. I was talking to him. Marley our other little guy, a little 10 pound shitzu he's sitting his heads going like that. He saw all the angels and our loved ones come in. And Gussy was, you know, Mom, you know, this is it. So I picked him up and I was rocking him and that stood up and he vomited all over me, and vomited all over himself. And I thought, Okay, I need to get him outside because I didn't
Sue London 6:03
need to be in that area. So anyways, I put him down gently on the our deck, and I ran in to get a cloth. And then when I came out, he wasn't there on the deck. And at this point, he was very weak. And I thought, Where did he go? He had actually in like a matter two minutes running in and out. In two minutes, he had dragged his body in the back corner of where our grass was. And I had this feeling that there was something really wrong in that corner. I kept telling Ross, there's something not right in that corner. I don't know what it is talking to our vet. And he says, Well, do you see any raccoon poop? No, no, we checked all for that. And so I just had this bad feeling. So that is exactly where he dragged his body exactly where I had this feeling.
Sue London 6:51
So I you know, it was just laying there he had had had a seizure. And at that point, I'm feeling in me exactly what he was experiencing. And I knew it was the end. And I knew we didn't have a lot of time. So I called my dog sitter. And anytime I've you know, we've had a pet cross, we've always included our other pet to be there to say goodbye as well. I knew this time I couldn't do it. I had to, you know, gather Gussy up and then get him in the car and then get to that that vet Hospital, where we live, there's only one emergency vet hospital and it was 40 minute plus drive for me. So I thought, Okay, Gussy. You know what, we're going to make a miracle happen. So I just started asking, you know, my angels and all the pets on the other side that were with both of us to
Sue London 7:39
just magically appear a cop car and get him to give me a like, get me there fast. So we're driving and all of a sudden, a police car appeared on the side of the highway. So I pulled over and I said, you know, I really need your help. My dog is dying. And he said, Okay, you know what your dog is most important. You speed you get where you had to go. And he knew where I had to go. And he said, you know, like, and I said, Well, how fast can I go? And he says do just go as fast as you want. I can tell you're a responsible person. I've wrote your plate down. And if anyone sees you speeding, they'll know I've approved it, what's going on. So it should have taken me 42 minutes. We got there in 24 minutes. My husband was there waiting. And I thank God so much for like bringing that police officer to me, to you know, and how's that miracle manifesting what you need. Right? Exactly. Right. So number one lesson everyone listening, you can manifest whatever, right. So then I got to the vet hospital, and then the lab tech was there with a blanket and she took him and I said to Ross, this is it. Like he's not coming home. And so we went in and the vet that we had was just an amazing girl. And she didn't know what what was walking through her door when I I've started to tell her yeah, the lights flashing, you know is like for you to know that there's a lot coming from the other side. And she said we always have that happen when an animal's crossing is that what that means? So then I the room temperature was getting really cold. And I said to her, Do you feel how cold it is? And she said yes, it always happens. And so I explained to her that this was the other side that Gussy had a lot of love and support that wanted to help him and that. Interestingly enough, a lot of animals that I helped cross started coming from the other side to help me to help Gus. that got me emotional. And I started crying because I thought like how incredible like what people don't see and what we are experiencing is just we live and cross in such a magical way and there's so much more to our journeys.
Dr. Judy Morgan
I totally wish everybody could see all of those beings. When my grandfather passed he had a hospice care person with him and she said that he said, three people in white robes were standing at the foot of his bed. One was his wife who had passed before. I don't even remember who the other two people were. But I, you know, so many of us miss that and don't see that. But it's so nice to hear that. And it's nice to know that our animals are still out there watching over us which
Dr. Judy Morgan 10:25
I've lived that for many years, I talked to a death expert. Many when I wrote my first book, I happened to be standing in line behind her to talk to some TV and radio personalities about books. And I just tapped her on the shoulder and I didn't know her and I said to her, are I am I gonna see all my animals again? And she was like, absolutely. And she started telling me about it. And I was like, this is the coolest thing ever. So I'm clinging with that one. So you died twice? How?
Sue London
Okay, so the first the first time I was 21 years old. And what happened? I was allergic to anesthetic. And I was simply going to have my wisdom teeth taken out. And of course, I was a very shy person. Interesting. And yes, he so I'm allergic to anesthetic Pseudocholinesterase deficiency is the term. And so I'm thinking everything's good. And I went, and they were giving me a needle. And I said, Well, what was that for? And they said, Well, we had to give you anesthetic to put you out. And it wasn't, maybe a minute later, then I don't remember anything. And what happened, I crossed over. And I was in this beautiful field of daisies with my childhood dog Spot. And we were there together and what what was really special about that, for me was that she was like my best friend, my sister. And she helped me go through. She supported me. When my both my parents were physically, emotionally abusive. So I'm an only child, that was my support, my dog. And so here she came into my life at age two. And then, you know, I was getting ready to walk down the aisle with Mr. Wrong. And that's a whole other story about how she was trying to warn me about that. But anyways, what happened, my mother had taken her about six months before I supposed to walk down, she took her away. And I didn't know I was I was busy at work and, and long story short, she'd taken spot to be put down. I still to this day, don't know what happened. Spot does not want me to see, I feel like she wasn't wanting to go. And you know, for my sake, she wanted me to remember how we were together. But I found out three weeks later that she was gone. And so for me to connect with Spot again, because her energy, like me at that age was very, very shy. So when animals are shy, their energy does not come through really strong. And so that's why I always ask for a picture. Because people will say, Oh, well you see, you know, like, Joe or you know, Spot or whatever. And then another animal comes and I'm getting messages from this other animal. But because this one's so shy with their energy, they're taking a step back, right? So Spot. She's coming, right? So Spot came to me. And she's like, you know, I've never left you, Susie, and I've always been here. I'm so proud of you. And I told you he was wrong for you. And because she used to bite his ankles. And never bit anybody but my ex right. So what happened I was there. I don't know how long I just remember it was just this place of joy and love. And it was like the world had stopped and I was just focused on my dog and we were connected again. And there was butterflies The sky was this beautiful blue. And all this just you could just as far as you could see was this field of daisies. It was incredible.
Dr. Judy Morgan
So that's so amazing. I'm gonna interrupt you right there. We're gonna take a break to hear from our sponsors. When we come back. We'll finish this up and we'll hear about time number two because how many people do that? We'll be right back.
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Dr. Judy Morgan
Welcome back. You're listening to Dr. Judy Morgan's Naturally Healthy Pets. And my guest today is Sue London who is a hospice pet doula, just amazing stories. So we heard about her first death experience and her childhood dog Spot helped her through that. So what was the second so that was at age 21. Holy cow. What was the second one? I hate to ask.
Sue London 15:50
So the second one...At that time, I was at a place in my life, I was age 34. And I had been diagnosed a few years earlier at the age of 26 actually, with Crohn's disease. Stress, no surprise, right. And anyway, I did go on to heal the disease so everyone knows magic can happen again. Miracles happen. I went on to heal that disease.
Sue London 15:59
But before that happened. What happened when I was 34. It was August, August 30th. And I remember waking up having a funny feeling in my mid drift, but I couldn't explain it. And I like I had gone through 18 surgeries at that point up until that point. So I knew what what feeling meant. What, right. And so anyways, I went to the hospital and they said that I had a torn muscle, go home rest, and you'll be fine. So four hours later, I couldn't breathe. I couldn't move. I was it was a mess. And so I was taken back to the hospital sat in the waiting room for four hours. And I collapsed on the floor. They took me in and they said, we made a mistake. Your intestine just burst. And who do you want to say goodbye to? So I asked for my dog Rocky, Rocky was a dog that I got eight months before I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease. He was my pet therapist. And you know, when I'd have pain, he'd lick my face, and you know, really helped me and you know, just doing it working his magic.
Sue London 17:07
So what happened? I remember saying, you know, I want Rocky, but it didn't make sense. Because I'm only have 30 minutes to live. And we were an hour away where we had to go, but that's how much I was so connected with my animals more to my animals than to people, right. So then what happened the first thing I remember, I'm laying in this bed. And all these doctors were around me and nurses and they were all in their blues degree, you know, their hospital scrubs. But yeah, I saw like the doctors and the white coats and and they were stressing and getting anxious. They were running around, they were yelling, and I thought this is really weird. Why are people acting so strange. And I found that my body started getting less pain. Now my intestines just burst. That's a really painful thing. But what was happening, my body was getting lighter, and I wasn't feeling the pain. So then I was feeling myself and I didn't know it was my soul. But I felt myself coming up off the table and looking down at these people. And I thought, oh boy, they're really stressed. Like, I don't know how they can live that way. And that's where my focus was. And then I felt myself going higher and higher. But it was like I was an elevator going up. I bet that's the best way to explain it. And then I was going up I was hearing you know, what would you have done differently. And I was you know, thinking and I thought that's really weird. But I wouldn't have done anything different. I always tell people I love them. You know, I always told everyone I appreciated them. When that time was there, I always treated all my life like it was the last time I was gonna see that person. I didn't understand why but I still do this, because I think it's important to do that. So I had no regrets. So then what happened, I was going going higher and I was really starting to see how my body was so light, there was no pain in my body for the first time in such a long time. I felt this love like I'd never ever experienced before. And this support and this I just felt like I was wrapped in the like angel wings and this love was incredible. And I remember thinking that this is somewhere where I wherever I am, I want to stay because my husband, the Mr. Wrong was abusive as well. And so he was never around. I would later learn that he had a girlfriend for 14 of our 16 year marriage and here I am you know in and out of hospitals that what kind of mom Am I because I got Crohn's disease and that's not a great disease to have if you're going through it and to take my kids for a walk, couldn't do that. Because I always needed to be near a washroom right? And so I remember you know, I'm staying this is great wherever I am. This is awesome. So then I got to a point where I looked in front of me like my eyes kind of open and it was like a different like it was going in a different scene. And I saw all this white fog and
Sue London 20:00
I saw, like black shapes. And I couldn't understand because it was really confusing for me with all the feelings I was having and seeing and trying to figure out what was happening. And this feeling was getting stronger. I'm staying, I'm staying, then all of a sudden, I saw this being walk forward. And it was my Grandpa Buck. And my Grandpa Buck was my best friend. He was my mentor. He was my hero. And if anybody could kick a strong Sagittarian stubbornness, it was my Grandpa Buck. And so he said to me, you know, Susie, it's not your time, you need to go back. Then I saw this other being walk up beside him, and it was Jesus. And he said, you have a destiny to fill, fulfill, you have not done yet, you need to go back because you have at a global level, millions of people and pets that you need to help them cope, heal and move forward. And we will guide you with every step of the way. Now, I thought, Okay, those are two people, you don't say no to.
Sue London 21:06
So there's got to be something to this. And then I literally came back. And it was like, I was a new person. Like, they say, born again, I really was because I thought, why do people rush? And why are they so stressed? And why aren't they enjoying what they have? And why aren't they grateful? Like, I just started doing all kinds of questions and journeys. And then I started getting messages. And I would follow and even now, like I hear do this, and I do it, and then I'm being guided to go and give somebody a hug that their pet just crossed over and tell them this is what what is happening. So yeah, everything I experienced is Just been meant to be.
Dr. Judy Morgan 21:51
So, do you feel that people sometimes grieve more for their pets than they do for people?
Sue London
100% 100%
Dr. Judy Morgan
why is that?
Sue London
Well, I know for me, that I don't cry for when people cross because I know what is coming for them. I did cry from my Grandpa. But we were so connected like we and we've been together in other lifetimes. This is another story about another show about that, right? But we were really connected. And it was interesting because when Gussy crossed, I really really cried for him as well. And I discovered I thought Why am I crying so much. I do this every day. And I even saw Gussy's soul come out of his body. Join all the people, the pets that were there. And the three angels they were playing harps, and it was just beautiful, like his crossing. And I could not I knew there was something more to this. And we had been together for 10 lifetimes But to answer your question, animals give us unconditional love. No matter where we are, you can always be guaranteed they're going to love us, they're going to support us. And and for some people, you know, that's all they have. And I know for me like I always say to my husband, you know the dogs come first. And when I'm doing a talk like...
Dr. Judy Morgan
Oh, my husband keeps saying he's so low on the totem pole. You're fine
Sue London 23:16
you know, it's funny, I was doing a talk once and I was saying you know, like Rocky didn't cross over because till he found his replacement and that was Ross so you know Ross was kind of annoyed by that for the first long time and he'd say, yes I am the dog's replacement
Sue London 23:35
And it wasn't until later and said if she let you replace him you should be honored and then that's where he shifted but I've always my dogs come first so sorry Ross.
Dr. Judy Morgan
So do you think do you think when a pet passes that they help you find the next pet that's supposed to be in your life?
Sue London
Yes, absolutely. That just happened for me. And do let me tell you the quick story on that one? Okay. So Gussy he told me that he was sending his replacement. And he was getting us a new puppy. So I'm thinking, ok well, my schedule's pretty busy. I don't know if I really have time to you know, do the puppy training at 8 weeks old. You know, the whole thing. So, Marley really grieved. When Gussy crossed, Marley got worse everyday. And this will happen to pets. I'm sure you know yourself, right? And so I had to literally take him everywhere that I went just because he needed to be with me. I was constantly doing healing. We'd gone into our local pet store. The manager says oh my gosh. Like Marley does not look good. And I said we need to get Gussy's replacement. Gussy said that he was sending a new puppy. You need to help me find him. I'm so busy. I'm just asking Gussy, put me in the place where it is to get this puppy. So it was 3 weeks, literally 3 weeks and it took that long because I had to process what I was going through. And I didn't want to, and Gussy knew this that you know, you really can't bring a pet in. You've got to go through those emotions first. To accept and go, yeah you're a part of our family. Not comparing, you're not as good Gus kind of thing. So anyways, what happened is I got a phone call from this pet store manager. And she said I need you to rescue this little puppy. It's a terrible story. Can you come right now? I said I've got an hour and a half window before and after clients. I'll be right there. So I went and she said what happened. There was a man who had gone to his parents and was their executor, power of attorney. He saw to his horror that his other brother thought he was doing the right thing, got this little puppy, which he thought was a Shih Tzu. Got this dog for his parents who have dementia. They forgot they had a dog. He found it in the garage. He didn't know how long it had been there. And so he knew, both of them had dementia, and he knew he needed to get a home for them and he'd gone into the pet store and said you know, who do you have...And interestingly I have a pamphlet that is about my hospice pet doula. It fell off the shelf. Right at his feet. But the manager had said that you know what, only one person with this situation. We'll call her right now. I went, we discovered Buddy had never been in a car. He was 22 months old. He'd never been in a car. He'd never been walked. His diet consisted of rabbit poop and bird poop. Because they forgot to feed him. You know. And so then we had his hair cut. And he had a nose like a big nose. So he's not a Shih Tzu.
Dr. Judy Morgan 26:50
That is so awesome. We are out of time, I could talk to you literally for like a week on this. So we do have a special offer. And her she does have a website. It's AskSueLondon.com. She's on Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, and you can schedule an appointment with her at AskSueLondon.com . And if you are booking a pet messages with healing for 60 minute consultation, if you use the code SPOT, now I know where that comes from. You'll get $50 off your session. And I think this is amazing. I may be going online to talk to a couple of my kids. So Sue, thank you for all that you do. This is very important. I love animal communication. I love people who can see what you see. I think it is amazing. I wish I was better at it. And I think yes, some of us are born with that gift. I think all of us can hone into it a little bit. But some of us are much better than others. You are definitely that person. Thank you so much for joining me today.
Sue London
Well, Thank you. It's been my pleasure. And thank you for what you're doing because you're really you know, having a big impact yourself. Right. So I appreciate you for doing it.
Dr. Judy Morgan
working on it. Yeah, thank you.
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