Intro 0:00
Welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. Let's get to it.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:05
Hello and welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. I'm your host, Dr Judy Morgan, and my guest today is Pam Roussell. We've done a lot of work together and always have a good time, and I love the work that she does. So welcome, Pam, thank you for agreeing to be my guest.
Pam Roussell
Oh, anything for you. Judy, I love working with you.
Dr. Judy Morgan
We always have fun, even with technology. Technology gets in the way, but we still have fun, yes. So for those of you who do not know Pam, she is a passionate cat lover, energy healing practitioner and Founder and CEO of Purrrfectly Holistic. I love it. She loves educating and empowering cat parents in using a more holistic approach to their cat's health and well being. But we're not going to talk what we're talking about today is not just for cats. This is for dogs as well. So all of you pet parents, I don't care if you have hamsters, gerbils, horses, this all is going to apply.
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:02
She's a master at muscle testing, and that's we do a lot of stuff together with muscle testing, and she's so good at it, and I'm so bad at it.
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:09
Her work centers around energy, frequency, vibration and intuition to help bring transformation and healing on all levels. And so what we want to talk about today is the missing piece of holistic pet wellness, because Pam is very much ingrained in the holistic sphere, and everything that she promotes for our kitty cats and everyone else all revolves around trying to do things as naturally as possible. And here at Naturally Healthy Pets, we're kind of all about that,
Pam Roussell 1:44
yes, you are. On a big scale, which is awesome.
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:46
So the first thing we want to talk about the word holistic, because it gets banded around like, you know, it had, you know, it gets used so many different ways. So what do you consider holistic? To be?
Pam Roussell
holistic is really looking at the big picture. It's looking at the whole pet. It's looking at the emotional components, the physical components and the spiritual components of wellness, because it's like three sides of a triangle. They all interact. They all affect each other. And a lot of times when people say holistic, they really don't understand what that means. In my opinion, I think they think of, you know, I have a natural product, and they really focus more on the physical side. Don't you agree?
Dr. Judy Morgan
Absolutely, it's, you know, I was just talking to somebody about this with my diets in my Yin and Yang cookbook, like somebody says, Oh, my dog has heart failure. Well, look, here's a diet. The name of it is, you know, heart support or heart draining. Okay, I need that. And they don't go past that and they get really stuck on, okay, it's, I'm just treating the heart and, you know, that's, I mean, it works, but that's not what we're doing. We need to look at the whole picture. So diet is one component of that, but particularly from a traditional veterinary standpoint, two sides of that triangle rarely get looked at, rarely get talked about. So and, you know, unfortunately, we tend to hone in on heart disease when, you know, I hate the word disease, but you know, it's like and kidney failure. Okay, great. Well, we just sentenced that pet to failure. Like, I think we need a better description, but we also need to look at everything else, because, you know, the kidneys don't work alone. Kidneys are not out walking around doing their own thing without a bunch of other parts and pieces.
Pam Roussell
Absolutely. I mean, I think so many times people forget doctors forget that the body is synergistic. It doesn't it's not separate little islands, you know, it's very much tied into Chinese medicine. And those people are brilliant, as you know, they've been doing it for 1000s of years with success. So they connect every part of the body. They look at emotions. They look at spiritual side. They look at energy fields. They look at meridians. They look at chakra centers. They look at how one area, if there's stagnation or or a lack of energy, or chi or flow, it impacts the entire body, not just that one organ or gland or system, right? And so you have to step back, and I think that's, that's what so many that, that's what's missed a lot of times, is that people, they zero in and they become very myopic on one little thing, like you said, it's the heart disease, the heart muscle, it's the kidney, it's the bladder, it's it's whatever that little spot in the body is. It's like, well, how is that affecting everything else, and how is it impacting the overall picture of this wellness, or lack of wellness, or dis ease in the body on an emotional, physical, spiritual level, I think that's
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:00
absolutely, absolutely, Yeah, it's really interesting, because Michele Allen, who owns Monkey's House, Senior Dog Hospice and Sanctuary, you know, her first, her root for all of these dogs, for for healing or health or palliative care, is, is food. So we, we, we fix the diet first. Because if we don't have good digestion, we don't have good nutrition, we're not going to be able to solve anything else. But she considers the emotional and spiritual well being of those dogs just as important. And so they bought a bus. It used to be a senior citizens bus, and they retrofitted it for the dogs, and they take field trips with all these hospice dogs, sometimes 30 dogs at a time. They go to the beach, they go to the woods, they go get their pictures taken with Santa at Christmas, they like they go on field trips with the dogs. Now a lot of people would say this is not worth the investment of a bus. And you know, why spend all this time, energy, work to load up 30 dogs. They also use it to take 20 dogs at a time to PT, but,
Dr. Judy Morgan 6:14
but you know, why go through all of that and have to have 20 volunteers come along to do these things? It's so important to the emotional well being of these dogs and those who can't walk go in wagons or carriers or backpacks or strollers. It's just really critical. It's, it's,
Dr. Judy Morgan 6:34
it's just so left out, like taking my dogs on a snifari around the farm, outside of their normal area on the farm is like, the coolest thing for them. They're just and, you know, sometimes they're at the door telling me, today is a snifari day. You better get your ducks in a row. Let's go
Pam Roussell 6:52
yes, emotion. There's always an emotional component to illness. And so if we can address those and put just as much focus on their emotional and spiritual well being, it impacts their physical well being, and you can see tremendous changes. I mean, they've done studies. This is not just something we make up, but, you know, there's there's actually proof. I mean, it works. It just makes such a huge difference.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Yeah, it absolutely does. So in the show notes, you mentioned Rockefeller based medical model. What? What is that?
Pam Roussell
Well, a very long time ago, early 1900s Johnny Rockefeller, who was an oil tycoon, millionaire at the time, decided he wanted a piece. He wanted to use his petroleum products to create pharmaceutical drugs. And he basically, long story short, wanted to weed out all of the natural healers, herbalists, homeopathy practitioners, chiropractors, anybody who did anything natural. He basically created a culture in the industry that
Pam Roussell 8:15
made them look like quacks or denigrated their their craft, their trades,
Pam Roussell 8:22
and even influenced the medical schools with taking money away and saying, if you don't teach our curriculum with the pharmaceutical side, you're not going to get funded. And so a lot of schools had to close, unfortunately, and a lot of them caved, and they they, you know, acquiesced to the demands because they want to keep their doors open. So when that kind of influence was accepted, you lost a huge piece of healing that had been used for hundreds, if not 1000s of years. You know, passed down through centuries, generations of information. Some of it just lost and but fortunately, there was a segment of that, those trades that kept going on. God bless them. Don't know how, but they did, you know, and
Dr. Judy Morgan
well, you know, it's, it's very similar to what we have in veterinary medicine, veterinary medicine with all the corporatization and big influence by big pet food, Big Pharma. And so again, those of us who are swimming upstream on the holistic side, saying, wait a minute, guys like, I don't want to throw more chemicals at this. I want to ask the body to actually heal. Yeah. And I want to look at all the components in this, not just, how can I throw a pill at it? Right? And it's interesting. Have you read the book about the Kellogg Brothers?
Pam Roussell
No, it sounds interesting.
Dr. Judy Morgan
So it's all about the Rockefeller medicine, because the Kellogg's the people who made the cereal company.
Dr. Judy Morgan 10:01
one of them made this Healing Oasis Hospital, and the two brothers totally diverged. One was totally on the Rockefeller side, and one is totally on the other side. Really fascinating book, wow. So I highly recommend it, and I don't have the title off top my head, but it, you know, that's the only time I had ever heard about this Rockefeller medicine. And so I think it's, you know, it, it, it literally sent us down a totally different path. And when I went to China to study acupuncture back in 2008
Dr. Judy Morgan 10:36
we we learned that in China, people have a choice. They can either have traditional Chinese medicine and traditional Chinese medicine hospital care, or they can go with Western medicine and Western medicine hospitals. So they have two totally different medical systems, and you choose which one you want to go to. Wow, yeah, really interesting.
Pam Roussell
Wow, that's so needed.
Dr. Judy Morgan 11:04
Yes, so, so when we have a pet that's sick or something's out of balance, what's the most important question to ask?
Pam Roussell
It's why? Why? Never gets asked. Almost it like you, I know you see it all the time, but like in social media or these private groups or whatever, they're just like, I have a cat that has x problem. What I what do I use? And I'm just thinking, Whoa, whoa, whoa, peel back some layers here. We need more context. You need to be asking, Why is this problem? Why is it even here, you know? And
Dr. Judy Morgan
why is my cat peeing out of the box? Yeah? Not, not, not. I need a pill for this, right? Right? Is it emotional? Is it physical? Is it like, yeah, why?
Pam Roussell
Why does my cat have diarrhea? Why is my dog vomiting? It's like, don't just try to reach for a bottle or food or a product. Go, that's that's fine, but you need to step back and go, Okay, why is this happening? And I'll get, I'll share with you a really cool story. A friend of mine, who was a holistic integrative veterinarian, was working a shift, and these people brought a dog in, the dog hadn't eaten for days and was just lethargic and had no energy. And, you know, everyone was like, all the doctors were immediately like, oh, we need to go into diagnostic mode. We need to take this x ray. We need to do this with this and she was like, well, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. She talked to the person who brought the dog in, and she was like, tell me what's going on. Like, how long has this boat been going on? You know, what's been happening. And it turns out, the dog watched his owner have a heart attack in the kitchen and die four days earlier.
Dr. Judy Morgan 12:45
Oh, okay,
Pam Roussell
when you put it into context, well, of course, the dog is is not eating. He's a he's he's in shock, He's grieving, he's lost his best friend. And then, you know, so that's a great example of this. Is not the time and place to just go try to throw a bunch of medicine and do diagnostics. We need to step back and look at the big picture and and so when I, when I'm talking to to clients and doing energy, clearing and healing, work on them, I'll, I want to go deep. And I'll say, start at the very, very, very beginning. Like, when did you get this pet? How long has this been going on? When did you first start noticing something off and what happened right before that? Can you remember anything that was going on, you know, was there a trauma?
Pam Roussell 13:32
Was the, you know, was it exposed to, you know, in a shelter? Did it potentially get a virus like herpes, or whatever. You know, was it vaccinated? Did it? Was it just dewormed? And all of a sudden you start seeing all these gut issues. Let's peel back and go way back to the beginning, because I think that's where the answers are. But, but we get so distracted through time passing that we become very myopic, and it becomes, oh, there now there's diarrhea or oh, there's GI upset, oh there's reflux. And we don't step back and go, Well,
Pam Roussell 14:08
why that is, you know, that's me. I'm the inquisitive one. I'm always the one in the back going, um, excuse me.
Pam Roussell 14:15
Why? Why do you think that's happening? You know? And I want people to start shifting the way they think. Because when you can start asking the why, then the what makes a difference, you know
Dr. Judy Morgan
well, and then it can be a lot easier to solve. We need to take we need to take a break to hear from our sponsors. We'll be right back. Please stay tuned.
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Dr. Judy Morgan
Welcome back. You're listening to Naturally Healthy Pets Podcast, I'm your host, Dr Judy Morgan, and my guest today is Pam Roussell, and we're talking about taking a holistic approach to care. And, you know, it's really interesting. I get consultations with people, you know, oh, my, my pet keeps having recurring bloody vomiting and diarrhea, and it happens about every six weeks or, you know, and now it's twice a week, or whatever. And you know, sometimes the questions that I ask may not make sense to people, but what you discover is that a lot of times there's a stressor or some sort of event that is occurring. So I had a patient who was a standard poodle, and that dog had a seizure problem. The dog didn't have seizures at home. Every time they took it to the groomer, soon as it hit the doorstep, it would lay down and have a seizure. Wow. Every time they came to my office, hit the doorstep, lay down and have a seizure. This dog could not handle the stressful events, and so it was really easy to put it together, because it's like, okay, every time this dog has to do something stressful, there's a seizure, like its brain just needs to be rewired. So then you can look at that and say, Okay, well, what can we do to decrease the dog's stress level when it's going to have to go through these events like, you know, sometimes it's not, it's not even a physical issue. It's a an emotional issue that they they just can't keep it together.
Dr. Judy Morgan 17:47
And so, you know, when you start seeing a lot of those kinds of cases, or, gee, yes, every time we have a party, or we have people over, my dog is trembling and hiding in the corner, and then two days later we have bloody diarrhea, yeah, okay, well, that's a trigger. Now we know a trigger. So if you have an animal who has these sort of chronic problems and that, you know, it may show up a few days later. I talked to somebody the other day, and their dog was doing great on the home cooked diet for months and months and months, and then it had a just really bad 24 hours, vomiting, diarrhea, you know, just everything a mess. And when I looked at the records, I was like, Well, you know, the week before, the dog was at the veterinary office to get blood drawn and have an exam and have all this stuff done. And so then, you know, a week later, when it has this really bad vomiting and diarrhea, and has to go back to the veterinary office. What does it get? A hydrolyzed diet, a whole bunch of medications, and now the owner is afraid to go back to the great diet that did so great for that animal for so long, because we had this one incident, and it's like, again, like you said, Why? Why did it have that incident? What was the root cause? Yeah, and certainly, you know, we can get long term imbalances, but these emotional stress. Great study that I read
Dr. Judy Morgan 19:16
that showed over 80% of indoor house cats are very highly emotionally stressed.
Pam Roussell
They're bored.
Dr. Judy Morgan
It's not their it's not their natural environment. You know, they need those climbing spaces, and they need entertainment, and there's Oh, look, look, he's sleeping on the back of the sofa, and he hasn't moved in five days.
Pam Roussell
Yeah, they have no mental stimulation. They have no environmental enrichment, so they get very, very bored, you know. And I think in the case that you were talking about with dogs who get very, very overworked like that, there could be some trauma from their past, and putting them in situations like that is a trigger, and it signals all those molecules in.
Pam Roussell 20:00
Brain that just kind of overload, and they just can't handle it right. And that's the beautiful thing, where energy work can come in and help, and muscle testing can help figure out, you know, and rule out, rule in, was it the food? Was it not the food? Was it this? Was it? That it's so fascinating when you can utilize all of these other modalities and pull in other team members like you know, get you an animal communicator on your team. Get an integrated vet that works with your conventional vet.
Pam Roussell 20:36
Find a Reiki Master that can do some work. Do you know, find someone like me who does muscle testing that can help rule things in, rule things out, and help you work together with you know, your other practitioners and your doctors so that you can build an overall healthy, vibrant pet. And you hit all of these angles, the emotional, the spiritual and the physical, because that's when you have real, true wellness, you know, when you can get those all in balance, it's awesome,
Dr. Judy Morgan
yeah? And we just get so stuck on, you know, we have kidney failure. We, you know, look at the kidney, look at the kidney, look at the kidney. Yeah. And it's like, you know, there's a lot more that goes into this. And it's so true. Do you do something called the Emotion Code?
Pam Roussell
no, but I've, I've looked at it, I've looked at it.
Dr. Judy Morgan
My sister does it. And so it's a distance thing, but it literally is peeling back the layers of the onion to try to, you know, get to that underlying trauma. We all, we all have past traumas. You know, it's, it's really and so our pets do too, and we just, we kind of don't think about it. And a lot of us don't know what those past traumas are, particularly if we're doing rescue work. And, you know, we don't necessarily know. And that's where I love working with communicators. I think it is so cool the things that you can learn from your animals.
Pam Roussell
Oh, absolutely, yeah, in the in the mind, body, spirit, release work that I do, I can actually go uncover past events, past traumatic events, and especially with, like, a lot of these pets who were rescued and we don't know their backstory, and maybe something happened to them when they were, you know, maybe something happened to their mom when they were newborns, and all of a sudden they're on their own and they're helpless and there's no mama, and they're, you know, that's a very traumatic experience for a brand new puppy or kitten or whatever, or if there's a wild animal that attacks them, or if they're hit by a car because they're on the street, you know, and someone good samaritan comes and finds this poor animal and takes it to a rescue center, or whatever. They don't really know the history. But the cool thing about using, like, the energy, modalities, that stuff, and it's not just the stuff that I do, but other people, is you can uncover all those emotions, and you can release those traumas, and then that, then that it's like a weight just gets lifted off of you, off of the pet, because we can do this kind of stuff for humans, obviously, and you and you don't carry that kind of cellular memory anymore, and it's no longer impeding the wellness and the balance of the energy and your emotions and all the you know your the spiritual aspect of you that makes You or your pet, your pet, you know, it's fascinating. It really, really is. And so, you know, if you could do something like that, instead of just reaching for a Gabapentin or reaching for the, you know, whatever drug of the day that is supposed to calm and whatever Prozac,
Pam Roussell 23:40
you know, it's like, why don't we, why don't we, do explore some other options and figure out what's contributing to those kinds of behaviors, instead of just throwing a drug at it.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Can we talk about, I want to talk about vibration, yeah. And I want to talk about how owner why when you talk about how the owner's vibration level, the owner's emotion, how, how does that affect our pets?
Pam Roussell
Oh, my gosh. Well, you know, our pets are little energy sponges, and so they're in our homes. They're around us. And because everything is energy, and we give off energy, we are emitting energy on whether it's a low vibe or high vibe, or whatever it is. We're putting that into our environment, and it's in the field, and our pets pick up on all of those frequencies, because that's all it is, is energy, is frequency. So if we are super high strung and stressed and like, worry, worry, worry all the time, and all we talk about is, oh, you know, I've got this problem, and I've got this problem, and I've, I've got it, you know, it's all about your ailments. It's all about the people that you don't like. It's, it's all the negative energy, whatever that is, right? Our pets are bombarded with all of these frequencies and energies, and they are going to be impacted.
Pam Roussell 25:00
Whether it's physically, you start to see physical symptoms of anxiety and behavior problems or vomiting or just being very withdrawn and very scared, you know they're going to respond.
Pam Roussell 25:14
And it's it's fascinating, because when we change the frequency, when we change our energy and our vibration, we see a change in our pets, because they're in our field, you know, exactly, and it makes exactly such a difference. And I just think that people aren't aware, you know,
Dr. Judy Morgan
yeah, well, and you know, it's it, you know, we have helicopter moms, yes, pet parents and mom parents for kids, but some of my consultations that I have done in the past,
Dr Judy Morgan 25:50
the owner is so worried about the pet, and so like they're dragging them from doctor to doctor. They're consulting with everybody they can find, and they're switching from one supplement to the next, and the next, and the diet and this and that and the other thing. And I'm like, Could we just take a step back and maybe again, change how you're approaching this? And I mean, I get that you're worried about your pet, but you're actually making it worse, like they can't heal in this environment of frenetic worry, constant, weepiness, constant, yeah, you know. And it's, it's something when, when we do get a bad diagnosis with our pets, it's hard not to go into that immediate grief. Yes, you know, you have to go through all those stages of grief with denial and anger and blah, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, for some people, it's like, you've already got them in the grave, and there's so much that we can do, but we have to fix. Like, you can't be all weepy. Like, when my animals are diagnosed with something awful, it's like, okay, well, if I'm gonna cry, I'm gonna go somewhere else and do that, and then I'm gonna come back and I'm gonna be and like, we're gonna go do something fun, yeah? So, you know, and the same for people around you that, you know, they got a bad diagnosis, or whatever, it's like, okay, good. How about we, you know, not spend 100% of our time focused on,
Pam Roussell
well, yeah, because here's the other half of that. And most people don't realize this is whatever energy you are putting out, you are attracting the same so if you are Worry, worry, worry, worry, and always talking about your your fear, and oh my gosh, I need to get another medication. Well that's like putting out a little message into the universe that says I need more worry and I need more fear and I need more medication. And so guess what? That's exactly what you're going to keep getting. So we have to change. Yes, we have to be aware, number one, that we're thinking those that way and behaving that way, so that we can stop ourselves and go, Okay, I need to make a 180 change of what I say and how I'm thinking, and if we can word it in the opposite and even if you don't believe it yet, you have to start teaching yourself to think positively, think optimistically. Instead of saying, My dog has cancer, my dog is healed of cancer, you know, you have to flip that switch. And it is amazing because that, and it may take a lot of practice, but it's like the expression, if you read something over, if you, if you tell yourself a lie enough times, you'll start to believe it's true. So, and that's the truth. There's studies about that too. Just look at mainstream media, you know. So if we can just teach our brain to think differently, to speak differently, to speak with power, to speak with optimism and positivity and health and vibration, and you know, just the opposite. My dog is happy. He is healthy, he is calm, he is relaxed. And you keep putting that energy, and you keep telling your dog or your cat every single day that that is what you are, and that is your expectation, then eventually that is what you attract. And I love that so much
Dr. Judy Morgan 29:15
Absolutely. So we're out of time, and we didn't even get to talk about your muscle Testing very much, but it's very cool. And for our supporters and private community, Pam does private events for us where she muscle tests supplements that people have questions about for their pets. So very, very cool. It's a nice little perk. So you have, do you have a muscle testing course? Do you teach people to do it?
Pam Roussell
I do! I've actually developed a private mentorship program. It's called Mastering Muscle Testing for Healthy, Happy Pets. So I help dog parents or cat parents learn the art and like master these skills on a on a level that they have probably never dreamed that they could do this.
Pam Roussell 30:00
And it includes energy healing work as well, so they can basically become their pets, best energy practitioner healer, working alongside your your favorite vets and integrative practitioners and just, you know, be an important, vibrant part of that team, and just take things into your own hands, because not everybody has a wonderful, holistic, integrated vet in their neighborhood, you know? So you have to learn how to do a lot of things. That's why you do all your education. And so it just empowers us. It gives us more skills, gives us more tools.
Dr. Judy Morgan
So yes, so we will put links in the show notes, but it's Purrrfectly (with three R's) holistic.com
Dr. Judy Morgan 30:45
and if you've never seen muscle testing, I think on DrJudyU, we have like, a one hour muscle testing thing with Pam. So that would be a little intro, if you think you might be interested in something like that. And then her master class would be amazing, because you could be a really, not only can use it on pets, you can use it on yourself. So if you're like, does this food agree with me? You can muscle test it. Do I need this medication? You can muscle test it. So very, very cool stuff. She's really good at it. Like I said, I'm not so good at it. I can do it a little bit, and it's just because I don't practice so everybody check out Pam. Pam, thank you so much for your time today. We really appreciate you. We love working with you.
Pam Roussell
I love working with you. Thanks everyone for joining us.
Outro
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