Intro 0:00
Welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. Let's get to it.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Hello everyone. I'm Dr Judy Morgan, your host for Dr Judy Morgan's Naturally Healthy Pets. My guest today is a brilliant veterinarian, Dr Barrie Sands, coming to us from San Diego. I believe Dr Barrie Sands is an emergency critical care, integrative functional medicine veterinarian. Another one of these people who just, you know, had to get like, 27 different degrees and certifications. Do you ever stop learning Barrie?
Dr. Barrie Sands
No, I don't think so.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:38
Well, that's a good thing. She uses a wide variety of healing modalities, from conventional allopathic methods to esoteric forms of energy healing, with a degree as a Master Practitioner of Shamanic Energy Medicine. And I can tell you that if you ever get the opportunity to be in the same room as Dr Barrie Sands, you will feel that energy. She is just a very inviting, happy aura person, and makes you feel very welcome in her space.
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:14
She is a certified trainer for the Institute of HeartMath, teaching, stress management, emotional self regulation, resilience building and coherence techniques, and is a pioneer researcher of interspecies coherence and biofield physiology, entanglement. That's a lot of big words, but I think we're going to break it down a little bit.
Dr. Barrie Sands
Yeah, for sure.
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:39
So this is really cool. How, how did you get started in this whole shamanic energy? What was that defining moment where you said, aha, there's something here.
Dr. Barrie Sands
Well, honestly, I feel like that. It was when I was young. You know, I was as a child. I was always tapped into this, these un these unseen, sort of in between energy fields of existence through experiences and dream time and clairaudience and Clairsentience and all these sort of extra sensory perceptions. And as I grew up and learned about the
Dr. Barrie Sands 2:17
The world that I live in, it kind of led me on this path of wanting to heal, to be a healer of all life, right? I think someone naturally to do that. Veterinary medicine was more of,
Dr. Barrie Sands 2:32
not so much an afterthought, but a a
Dr. Barrie Sands 2:36
stepping stone, you know, into that sort of realm of how I can, you do that in this world? So becoming a veterinarian, being trained in that conventional way,
Dr. Barrie Sands 2:47
taught me what we were taught in the conventional schools of how to heal, but yet, knowing in the back end of that there is this whole other world that we never really address. And I was going through my conventional trainings, and then decided to be certified in, you know, holistic medicine and acupuncture, traditional Chinese medicine, really embracing those more philosophical, metaphorical healing modalities, you know, as we tap into energy, because those kind of treatments, like Chinese medicine is all about energy, and movement of energy, you know, and then, right, learning about that, and then going into like, the pure essence of energy healing is truly in the quantum realm. And that's where science and spirituality blends, and that's where the ancient mystic traditions are now, you know, being talked about in a more scientific way, which is, which is cool and fascinating, that we're even alive now to even, you know, embrace that.
Dr. Judy Morgan 3:58
Yeah, I've got a friend who is very much into the quantum physics as a as it intersects with spirituality and,
Dr. Judy Morgan 4:10
you know, talking to our ancestors and just really, really interesting information. And I, I, I can't wait to see what it looks like in 100 years. Not that I'll be looking at it from here, but I can't wait to see what it looks like, because I think we'll know a lot more.
Dr. Barrie Sands 4:29
Yeah, honestly, I feel like in the next within the next 5-10, years, there's going to be an explosion of that kind of understanding in in an applicable way, you know?
Dr. Judy Morgan
That's what my friend says as well. She said, It's really exploding,
Dr. Judy Morgan 4:45
so very, very cool. Now you work in emergency and critical care. I worked emergency for 10 years. It is very high stress. It is very high pace. There's a lot of emotion because.
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:00
A lot of times you are dealing with pet owners that you don't know because you're not their everyday veterinarian.
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:09
You're dealing with animals that might be in crisis. You're dealing with family members who are in crisis because their pet's in crisis. How does this energy medicine and, you know, shamanic teachings, HeartMath, how does all of that play into that? Do you find that that keeps you more centered and helps you keep everybody calm in that situation?
Dr. Barrie Sands
Yeah, I'd like to think so. And at least for me, it is
Dr. Barrie Sands 5:41
important in that realm of chaos that I'm centered and I'm focused and I'm grounded because I'm interfacing with all that's not. However, It's important that, when you have a team of people in the ER, like all the other doctors, the nurses, you know the group, the receptionists, you know, all the other people, if they're not in a coherent, sort of grounded way, then it's still there's this inner chaos that happens. So there's definitely, you're like, the only one, because if you're one that's in this grounded state, it's like a light bulb in the darkness. Because if you if you have to be super, super strong and bright to illuminate all of that that's around you and and, you know, we have levels, and I have levels of my ability to be resilient and coherent. And, you know, sometimes I'm tired, sometimes I don't have the energy, sometimes I'm a little dehydrated. And, you know, I'm not on my game as much as I am. So there's definitely little challenges around that, but just on a one on one situation with a client, that's much easier, you know, because I could go in in my grounded,
Dr. Barrie Sands 6:53
sort of very coherent state, and then help the client come to that as well. And that's very,
Dr. Judy Morgan 7:04
yeah, it's really interesting, because once I learned acupuncture and started doing that, and then I did chiropractic and some massage basics, and a lot of different energy healing goes into that. I mean, really, acupuncture is, is all about energy, and it is so true there, there. I owned two clinics for a lot of years. And when you have a really cohesive team, it's like, all right, it doesn't matter how crazy it is. Everybody's doing their thing, getting it done, and the crazy doesn't lead to chaos. Other times you have a team where it could just be one person who's really just out of, out of sync, or you can have a whole team. And I did relief work for a lot of years as well. And sometimes you walk into just those toxic, toxic environments where you can just feel every everybody's energy is just not good. And I think we're going to talk about this more. I think it has such an effect on our patients. So on the days when my energy was just awful because something else was a problem, you know, whether it's a family thing or a financial thing or whatever it's like, my acupuncture didn't work nearly as well on those days, and I didn't connect with the animals and I didn't connect with the people, and on the days when my energy was just right there and really centered, it's like, oh, look at that. Everything's going great. Everybody's happy. Everybody's walking out of here happy. And so I think, and this is we want to talk about this a lot more, but I think that we all need to be really self aware of the bubble that surround. Like I said, your bubble is very positive, light, happy energy. And when our bubble is emanating blah
Dr. Judy Morgan 8:59
every you know, you walk into the room and it's just like, oh my gosh, what's going on? Why is everybody angry? You can feel it in the air. So is that energy that we're feeling?
Dr. Barrie Sands
Yeah, you know, you're so, you're so, right? And I think, you know, before I answer that question, so yes, that is that.
Dr. Barrie Sands 9:21
And you know, in I feel like in order for a team of people or a collective to really be coherent as a group, everybody seems needs to understand truly and be open to what energy is right and what
Dr. Barrie Sands 9:41
what it actually means. And when we start learning about what it is and understanding it's its role in our lives, our role in its life, then we have a deeper fundamental picture of our of our reasons of why we're here in the first place. And.
Dr. Barrie Sands 10:00
And it allows us to have a different consciousness and awareness of how we show up and what we do. You know, energy is this. It's the fundamental substrate of the universe. Everything is energy. And there's this fundamental field which is the source of all creation. And that's, that's when we talk about, you know, the quantum sense of it, and I think our deeper understanding of it and our openness to understand it is actually going to be
Dr. Barrie Sands 10:32
the pivotal point of allowing that to affect our lives and how we show up, right? Does that makes sense. And so, you know, in understanding
Dr. Barrie Sands 10:46
the, you know, we all say, Oh, we're, we're all one, you know, we're all one, you know. But what does that really mean, you know? And how do you connect with that? And it is, there's, it's definitely a true statement. And when we talk about energy, there's all sorts of types of energy, right? Energy is this based? The definition is this capacity to do work or create change, right? That's what it's a force of nature, and it's found in many different forms. You know, we have kinetic energy and potential energy, energy from
Dr. Barrie Sands 11:22
electricity, electromagnetic fields, heat, light, sound like everything is a thing, right?
Dr. Barrie Sands 11:34
And in when we use energy medicine, the word energy medicine is type of an alternative medicine where we're using these subtle energy fields to affect the healing. So when you're you know, saying, you know, and everything is is online, and everybody's coherent, and then you start to do the needling and the acupuncture, and it magic happens, versus where you have all this discourse and dysfunctional disarray of other energies, it doesn't really work as well, and that's because there's all of this other information that is being put into the field that's creating the chaos. So I think ultimate understanding is really about coherence in the system.
Dr. Judy Morgan 12:26
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Dr. Judy Morgan
welcome back. You're listening to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast, and I'm your host, Dr Judy Morgan. my guest today, Dr Barrie Sands, is kind of an expert in energy medicine, and so we were talking about cohesiveness, and I want to learn more about HeartMath and how all of this affects our pets, not just from a veterinarian patient standpoint, but also from a pet parent, sibling, whatever we live with our pets, day in and day out, and I have a feeling that our energy really.
Dr. Judy Morgan 15:00
Really impacts their energy?
Dr. Barrie Sands
Yeah, absolutely. You know when we because our energies are so entangled with our fields, right? We all know we have these, we emit these fields of energy. We can feel it. It's palpable. You know, when you get that sort of sense, when you're interfacing, like we were saying with like bad vibes and good vibes, you could feel that. And on a real level, we interact with our animals and each other, and
Dr. Barrie Sands 15:32
we have an effect on their on our physiology, on their physiology. And when there's a terminology called coherence, where all that means is that there's an energetic alignment of all things, where everything is working together in its highest capacity to function in the most perfect way, if that makes any sense,
Dr. Barrie Sands 16:09
the universe, as a source of energy, strives to create that coherence. It's all it's doing is creating this fundamental,
Dr. Barrie Sands 16:22
uh, organization of itself to create the perfection of itself, right? So that's the default. The default is perfection and working everything works together right in harmony. That's the default mechanism. So when we understand that it makes it easier, easier for us to say, Okay, well, if that's the case and the universe and energy is striving for its ultimate coherent nature,
Dr. Barrie Sands 16:56
then all I have to do as a biological being in that field is to match it, right? Is to be coherent with it, you know, it's like, it's like being on the phone, it's, it's, you have to be in the same energy frequency to resonate and to connect, right? Because if you're not, then you're not going to be able to, you know, get the communication. You know, I was thinking about this this morning. It's kind of like trying to use your microwave as a radio. You know, no matter how many buttons you're gonna push or how many numbers, it's not gonna hit the same frequency as the like, 100.2
Dr. Barrie Sands 17:39
you know, FM, where you can hear the music, you can hit 100.2 on your microwave, and it's not going to give you sound right? So it's a why. It's because it's a completely different frequency. So when we match the frequency of the healing mechanisms with ourselves and our animals, then healing is going to happen.
Dr. Judy Morgan 18:04
And and is it possible for people to learn how to match those frequencies, like, is this obviously we're, we're, I think innately, like you said, the universe wants that coherence and that cohesiveness, but I think a lot of things interfere with that. As humans, our emotions, certainly, I think would interfere with that. But I think there's probably a lot of external sources, for instance, microwaves or electromagnetic fields, that I would think those also interfere with that coherence.
Dr. Barrie Sands
Sure. I mean, those are right, all those external frequencies that are coming in, like the 4Gs, G's, and all 10 G's and all that stuff. It's definitely detrimental to our to physiology, because we're at those energetic beings. However, I always like to think about So, what is it that can I do? What can I do personally in my life, and what do I have control over? And like you mentioned,
Dr. Barrie Sands 19:05
emotions are the biggest thing that we can use to control the way we're putting out the energy and the coherent nature of it, because when we want the body to go into a state of coherence. What we're actually doing is creating a very clear communication between the frequencies of the heart and the frequencies of your brain, and it's getting that in a unified harmonic conversation. And the techniques are super simple, right? Because nature herself
Dr. Barrie Sands 19:47
is is complex, but there's a simplicity in the complexity of that. So the solution is always simple. And, you know, I'll just say it, it's, it's, it's breathing and
Dr. Barrie Sands 20:00
Emitting he emotions of love, you know, those higher frequency emotions of love and care, gratitude, awe. You know those kind of emotions have higher frequencies. You know, then those really low emotions,
Dr. Barrie Sands 20:19
or negative emotions of of anger, fear, anxiety, depression, worry. You know, we know. We know that right, when we're all depressed and sad, all we want to do is curl up in a ball with our hoodie on and just, you know, escape from the world, right, as opposed to when we're feeling joy and love and awe. There's this expansiveness to it, you know, and you want to share it with the world, and you want to jump for joy, and you know, those kind of things. So that is the energy frequency that is higher has a higher vibration. And with that, that's where your heart is going to
Dr. Barrie Sands 21:08
create the the smoother kind of energy pulses that come out in a magnetic field around the body, because the heart is the greatest projector of the of a magnetic field, and it's been measured through magnetometers. It can, it's literally six to nine feet out that we can measure, but it's, it's more than that, right? Just our technology measure it further than that, but we emit this field. It's palpable, and it's shaped like a toroid, like that little you know, as it goes up, it goes around, it comes in, it goes up,
Dr. Barrie Sands 21:45
and this within that field is our emotional signatures that we put out. You know, whether it's joy or love, care, you know, versus fear and anger. You know, what will feel that will sense it. So it changes the quality of the of the energy that comes out and within our own systems. You know, it feeds us in and it feeds us out. And so when our brains and our hearts are in a
Dr. Barrie Sands 22:20
the same language conversation, then that's the coherence of it. Um, but just to go a little bit further around that, it's interesting, because people say, Well, how do I know? How do I get them to communicate? Because most of the time, our brain says one thing and our heart says something else. Because we talk, we talk ourselves out of it.
Dr. Barrie Sands 22:40
Our brains are built in duality, right. We have two hemispheres, left and right, yes and no, pros and cons and all of these things, and we go back and forth. But the heart itself is just pure unification. It only knows one language, and that language is based upon things like intuition and your connection to higher sources, you know, the heart. Knows, follow your heart, like all of those idioms that we have demonstrate that in, you know, ancient indigenous cultures, they were always doing that, tapping into that deeper intuitive state and the wisdom inside the heart, we just have to get our brain to get into that same communication.
Dr. Judy Morgan 23:29
And do you find that when the brain is out of sync with the heart? Does it make healing more difficult?
Dr. Barrie Sands 23:40
Absolutely, it makes it possible.
Dr. Judy Morgan
so. Do our animals have that same disconnect? I mean, clearly they have emotions. I
Dr. judy Morgan 23:52
was just reading something today that somebody posted saying, you know, the behavior problems that we see in the veterinary world, when people bring their their animals in, seem to be getting worse. And I think because there's a lot of discord in the world, in the universe right now,
Dr. Judy Morgan 24:14
that that it is affecting our animals as well. And so this veterinarian was saying, Look, I spend, I feel like I spend more time trying to get control of the situation and being able to handle the animal to do what I need to do. I spend more time doing that than I actually do, you know, getting my exam or getting my diagnostics that.
Dr. Judy Morgan 24:36
So how, how is, is there a way to bring that level of anxiety. First of all, I think our, a lot of our animals are very frustrated because they don't have a job, and they're meant to have a job, and they're being fed incorrectly. Their guts are a mess. I mean, there's a lot a lot of things that go into it. We we we take dogs and cats, and we put them in our human world and expect them to follow our rules that are totally against what their nature would be.
Dr. Judy Morgan 25:09
Is there a way to bring them back to that, that stage of coherence and and do you have any simple tips to for people to bring themselves back to that when they've got all this anxiety and fear going on,
Dr. Barrie Sands
yeah, well, you know, like, like you've alluded to, it's a big, big, deep, deep conversation with many, many layers. And honestly, it boils down to the human, you know, having that human really level up in their in their abilities of controlling their emotional landscape, you know, going through the healing processes, allowing that emotional metabolism of traumas you know, that they've gone through throughout their lives, to really embrace another level of healing. I mean, I feel like the conversation needs to get real, because we see that there is such a mess. Like you said, the animals are they're not. Animals are inherently coherent. They are in but they are a part of nature, you know, they're down, they're dirty, they're in it. They're, you know, they're of that realm. And so by naturally, their natural default is to be a part of the coherency of the universe. It's what you said. People have taken them out of their elements. Have not allowed them to be the dogs that they are, the breeds that they need to be, you know, finding their purpose and whatnot, giving them processed foods, messing up their microbiome, you know, putting in that artificial situations, neutralizing them, sterilizing them, right? So they can't reproduce their whole world is, is a mess. And then they rely on, they rely on us and and to inter collate with our worlds. And our worlds are a mess, you know, you know. So I like to think about it. When a good example, I think when I was working with the canine Police Department, and I was talking to the sergeant about how, how do they decide what dog goes with which officer. And they were really mindful about matching the personalities of the dog with the officer, because if you have a very high strung Belgian Malinois and you hook them up with a very high strung person, it doesn't work right there.
Dr. Barrie Sands 27:41
Need to balance. You need to have a calm officer and a high strung dog, and that makes it better. And you know, we had conversations about there were a lot of times where these dogs were inadvertently biting the assailants. They weren't coming when they were called. There was a lot of confusion during the
Dr. Barrie Sands 28:03
during the calls that they went on, and they were trying to figure out, like, why is this happening? And it was all about the human right? So you have this, you have this dog that's he knows what to do. He's trained what to do. He's waiting for the command. He's waiting to go. All he needs to do is for you to tell him to attack, right? And he's and he's waiting for that. And then you have an officer who comes into the situation and they're stressed, he's worried, he's confused, he's not on his game, and the dog is looking to him for a direction, and the officer's like, well, I don't know. Like, and this is all subconscious. He's not standing there looking at his dog, saying, I don't know. You know, under the radar that the dog is picking up, and then the dog gets all confused, and he's like, Okay, well, I'm trained, so I'm just going to go bite, and then they run and they bite, and then that's that could be a problem, because you may bite the wrong person or get out of control. So ultimately, you know, that's a good example of how important it is for the human. It's all about human and getting them to be in get more coherence.
Dr. Judy Morgan 29:20
Very, very cool. And I think that's a great example, and we are out of time. So for anybody who wants more information on this, Dr Barrie has a website DrBarrieSands.com and it's B, A, R, R, I, E, it'll be in the show notes, and she has a survey that you can take to get a free copy of the Top 10 Ways to create Optimum wellness for you and your pet, which I think would be amazing, and this energy work, we don't think about it often enough, because we have such a profound impact when there is stress surrounding us, there is stress surrounding our animals, and it can show up in so many ways. And for those who are dealing with chronic illnesses themselves and chronic illnesses with their pets, I think that getting the emotional component taken care of is so critical to accomplishing healing for for either of you. So Dr. Barrie, thank you so much for coming on today. This has been enlightening. I always enjoy talking to you, and I love hearing about this stuff, because it's it's just so cool, and you, you are, you explain it in a way that we all get it. So thank you so very much.
Dr. Barrie Sands
Thank you for that. Thanks for having me, and thanks for your closing statements were amazing.
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