Intro 0:00
Welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. Let's get to it.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:05
Hello everyone. Welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. I'm your host, Dr Judy Morgan, my guest today is Dr Doug Knueven, and if you could see how that's spelled, you'll know that learning how to pronounce it takes a little bit of work.
Dr. Doug Knueven
I was impressed.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:22
Hey, I looked on your website and I cheated. I'm sorry. And I will say I've been pronouncing it wrong for a lot of years. So now that I know how to say it, I promise I'll get it right.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:32
So I was looking at your bio, and I'm going to do more of an intro here on you, but I found it very interesting that you were raised in a town called Mount Healthy,
Dr. Doug Knueven
yes, and I have to say that it was little more than a hill, and the people there were not really any healthier than anyone else around. but it's near Cincinnati. Yes, I think that's a good start.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:51
Started out in Mount Healthy, and now you're a health practitioner. So you know, how cool is that?
Dr. Doug Knueven 1:00
That's the way it should be.
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:02
It's sort of like, if your last name is Doolittle, you're going to be Dr Doolittle and you are going to be a veterinarian. That's, I don't think you have a choice.
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:12
All right. So for those of you who don't know who Dr Knueven is, he's been practicing holistic, integrative veterinary medicine since 1995 but he actually graduated from Ohio State University in 1987 which means he's a lot like me. We went to those Midwest schools that were so traditional in the mid 80s that, you know, acupuncture. What the heck was that? So, you know? So I like that your your bio says you started practicing integrated and holistic in 1995 because it took you about the same amount of time that it took me to figure out how there has to be something better out there. Thank goodness you did.
Dr. Judy Morgan 1:52
So and Dr Doug has written two books on integrative veterinary medicine, which I didn't know that, so we'll have to get the titles from you. And he's presented hundreds of lectures at veterinary conferences and pet programs nationally and internationally. And he was the AHVMA Holistic Teacher of the Year in 2018. yay. That's a big honor. And he also delivered the keynote lecture at the 2021 AHVMA Conference, which is the Holistic Veterinary Medical Association. So what are the titles of your books? I didn't know you had written books.
Dr. Doug Knueven
Well, you know what? They're both out of print now anyway, but the first one was called Stand By Me, and actually a lot of it was based on the Edgar Casey information that we're going to be talking somewhat about today. And the other one was called The Holistic Health Guide.
Dr. Judy Morgan 2:40
Okay, how come they're out of print?
Dr. Doug Knueven
You know? Yeah, so the last six months, my goal has been to combine the two and republish, you know, self publish it.
Dr. Doug Knueven 2:56
But I just haven't been able to get my gumption up to do it.
Dr. Judy Morgan
You know, the whole book writing thing, I've written nine now, and I'm working on a rewrite of my first one, and a 10th book. I guess that would be the 11th that my daughter is desperate for, which is yin and yang nutrition for cats, because I have two yin and yang nutrition for dogs books and she's one for the cats. So working on that. But for me, book writing is when the mood strikes, and the only way I've been able to do it, and this is how I have written every one of my books, I schedule myself a vacation somewhere in the middle of nowhere. So it can be at the beach, it could be in the mountains. It can be at a campsite, it doesn't matter, but somewhere where I've got Internet, and I literally will work eight to 10 hours a day and I'll write it in a week. And so one book took three weeks.
Dr. Judy Morgan 3:57
The original, the first book, I wrote, it in six weeks, and then it sat in my computer for over a year before I finally got the nerve to actually send it in.
Dr. Judy Morgan 4:07
But that's the only way I can do it. I have to have zero distractions like Jack Canfield, the Chicken Soup for the Soul guy. He's like, Oh well, just, you know, set aside 45 minutes every evening, you know, just every day. Just commit to doing that. I'm like, Listen, 45 minutes is what it takes me to get my computer turned on, find the right page, figure out what I want to talk about, and then I'm done.
Dr. Judy Morgan 4:30
Whereas when I get like, in the zone it flies, but you have to be in the zone. So like, the last yin and yang 2.0 the rewrite of yin and yang nutrition for dogs. I started to write it. I got, oh, we had an accident with our motorhome on the way to do it. So then I tried to do it at home for like, five days, which that's pretty much a no go. And then again, it sat in the computer for eight months. And then I scheduled. myself that week, and boom, done. So I don't know. It's just the way that I do it. Everybody has to find their own like my husband's been working on his book for 12 years.
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:13
We just can't get in the zone to get it done. So I totally understand that. Anyway, that's beside the point. Yeah, so if you want help, I'll be happy to help you out.
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:26
Okay, so today we are going to talk about someone who I had never heard of before reading these show notes, and I think is so interesting, and that is Edgar Cayce.
Dr. Judy Morgan 5:41
So tell me about, tell all of us about Edgar Cayce. How'd you find out about this person? And you know his, his information is actually very cool. So yeah, the show's yours.
Dr. Doug Knueven
Thank you. Well, you know what I really I think what the Edgar Cayce readings have done for me is helped me embrace the spiritual part of mind, body, spirit, holistic medicine. Like a lot of us in the holistic field, we're good at acupuncture and herbs and behavior, kind of mental things, but and I think that we all have the spirit, but how do we really engage that and with our patients and with our clients? So Edgar Cayce was basically a medical intuitive back in the early 1900s
Dr. Doug Knueven 6:33
and so he was giving readings for people who had sicknesses that the doctors had given up on, and he would prescribe, recommend natural therapies for them. And so he became known as the father of holistic medicine.
Dr. Doug Knueven 6:53
And a while into his we'll call it a career, people realized, well, if he can answer these questions about people's health, maybe he could answer other more esoteric questions. And so they started asking him about meditation. He was talking about meditation in the 1920s and dream interpretation and ancient civilizations, you know. So there are over 14,000 readings that he gave, and he was unconscious during his readings, so he would have to wake up, and they would have to tell him what he talked about, but
Dr. Doug Knueven 7:35
they meticulously transcribed his readings, and now they're all online. in 1931 the people around Edgar Cayce decided they wanted to create an organization to study his material, and so they formed an organization called The Association for Research and Enlightenment. And you can find their website at edgarcayce.org
Dr. Doug Knueven 8:01
and Casey is spelled C, A, Y, C, E yes, EdgarCayce.org
Dr. Doug Knueven 8:14
and if you're a member you can actually access all of his readings. And they have a search mode where you could type in like epilepsy. What did he have to say about epilepsy? And the interesting thing is, or the somewhat frustrating thing is, that he was giving these health readings for individuals. And as you know, every individual needs to be handled individually. So you know, if you looked up epilepsy, you would find that there were all different kinds of recommendations he made depending on which person he was dealing with
Dr. Doug Knueven 8:51
and so, but at the same time, there were some recommendations that were almost universal, you know, more commonly given than others. So it can be helpful in that way. But then when you get to spiritual information, I mean, mostly that applies to everyone.
Dr. Judy Morgan 9:10
This is so cool. So you know, before the American Medical Association and Western medicine stepped in this country, used a lot more homeopathy and natural herbal healing. And then, of course, pharmaceutical industry took over. And then that was the end of that. And then all the all the medical universities changed. Everything changed. But did he get, like, did people call him a quack? And did he get the same pushback that we still get?
Dr. Doug Knueven
Oh yeah, I think once or twice he was thrown in jail for practicing medicine without a license.
Dr. Doug Knueven 9:56
And yeah, there were definitely skeptics. He actually did a couple of demonstrations in front of medical societies, and so like, he would be in his trance, and they would take a penknife and stick it under his fingernail to see if they could get him to react. And of course, he didn't react until he came out of his trance, and then he was screaming in pain. So he decided, you know, he wasn't going to try to convince the skeptics anymore. He decided, yeah, it wasn't worth it. So, you know, but then there was, like, a coronet magazine article written about him, and there was a book written about him in the early 1940s and then, you know, people from all over the country were asking him for information, and he died shortly after. He died in 1945
Dr. Doug Knueven 10:51
he was giving too many readings. His own readings. Told him to only do two a day, and he was doing like, eight or 10 because he just he had such an open heart he couldn't say no to all the all of these people.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Well, sure. I mean, it's sort of the same problem we run into. No, I need you to do this consultation. No, pick me. Pick Me. There's only so many hours in a day. that is so cool.
Dr. Judy Morgan 11:21
So, all right, I have a question here in holistic medicine, it's about treating the animal as a whole, W, H, O, L, E. Why is it spelled with an H instead of a W?
Dr. Doug Knueven
That's a cool question. I used to have a segment in one of my lectures that said filling the hole in holistic medicine, and I would talk about this so, wholistic with a W comes from Old English. Holistic with an H comes from the Greek word holos. And holistic itself was originally coined by a South African politician, and he was kind of talking about natural systems, ecosystems, kind of working together as a whole. And then I wasn't able to really follow the history of holistic with an H until the 1970s
Dr. Doug Knueven 12:19
so in 19, I think the late 1970s the American Holistic Medical Association was formed, and they decided to use holistic with an H, because for them, it reminded them of The word holy. So they were emphasizing the spirit of holistic medicine, the spiritual aspect of holistic medicine. And in fact, three of the five founding members of the American Holistic Medical Association, were actually members of the A, R, E, and so there's this tie in between Edgar Cayce and this holistic movement, you know, even up into the 70s, long after he had passed away.
Dr. Judy Morgan 13:07
That's so cool, isn't that neat?
Dr. Doug Knueven
Because I actually talked to those three people. They're all, I think they're all, yeah, they're all deceased now. But I talked to them before they passed away, and I asked them about the holistic with an H, and that's the answer I got from them.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Very cool. Well, now we all know. All right, we need to take a break to hear from our sponsor. When we come back, I want to hear what Edgar Cayce had to say about animals. We know he did a lot of people. So yes, stay tuned.
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Dr. Judy Morgan 15:31
Welcome back. You're listening to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast, and I'm your host. Dr Judy Morgan, my guest today. Dr Doug Knueven, spelled with a K, is a fellow integrative, Holistic Veterinary Medicine Practitioner, and we're talking about Edgar Cayce, who apparently is the father of holistic medicine and just had a really incredible career helping people so to get him into this trance, Was he under hypnosis?
Dr. Doug Knueven 16:06
He was able to put him he was able to put himself into a trance. But he would have someone there called a someone who would give him the suggestion. When they saw his eyes flutter, they would give him the suggestion of who he was going to be reading for, and then he would go into he described it as seeing the Akashic records, and there would be someone there with the book of life for this individual person. And if he turned the page one way, he'd be going back into their past, and if he turned the pages the other way, he was going into their future. And he said there was times where he was forbidden to tell the person certain things. There were certain things that the person just had to work out for themselves.
Dr. Judy Morgan 16:59
Oh, man, I would love to have a session with this guy. You know, I had an animal communicator who worked in my practice alongside me for about three years, and it was pretty amazing. And this was somebody who didn't have it a medical or or veterinary background at all. Just happened to be a good communicator, and, you know the things that he would see, and I would be like, where did that come from? Like, that was not on my radar. I wasn't gonna look for bladder stones in that dog. Okay, I'm gonna go take an x ray. Oh, crap, there's bladder stones in that dog. Good to know, you know. So I can, I can see, and it's interesting, because people who have that ability, like Jack Canfield,
Dr. Judy Morgan 17:46
if you ask him for advice on he helps me a lot with my books and stuff. But if you ask him for advice, he sits there and he does this, and he just goes quiet with his eyes shut, and it could be minutes, and you're like, yeah waiting for an answer, and then his eyes pop open and he's like, just spits out, this is what you should do. This should be the title. This is how you're gonna market blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. It's like, how do you do that?
Dr. Judy Morgan 18:20
It's very cool. All right, so what did Edgar Cayce have to say about animals?
Dr. Doug Knueven
Okay, so first of all, he never gave a reading for an animal. There's correspondence where someone asked him to do a reading for her Cocker Spaniel, and he said, You know what? There's just too many people in need. And you know animals were not a priority for him. I mean, this was the 1930s and 40s. I agree, but,
Dr. Doug Knueven 18:46
but during readings, people asked him specifically if they had past lives with their pets and several people, he said, Oh, yes. And one, one family like three members of the same family asked them about their past lives with and every time they said it the same way the little dog Mona and I found out later that Mona was a Pomeranian. So this tiny little Pomeranian and Edgar Cayce told them, oh yes, Mona was a lion in the in your Roman lifetime, when they had been in Rome. And the implication that I got from the reading was these were Christians being thrown to the lions, and Mona was one of the lions that they encountered. And so I don't know what the karma was that they were working out.
Dr. Judy Morgan
I was gonna say, Did Mona save them, or did Mona eat them?
Dr. Doug Knueven
We don't know it's a mystery, but it's, you know, imagine, a lot of people who have seen that reading think that Cayce was just joking, you know. You can just imagine this tiny little dog with a mane being, you know, and then being told that, oh, it was a lion in a Past lifetime. So but I think the key thing that I got from the Cayce readings is that Edgar Cayce the readings emphasized that nature is a way to get in touch with the divine.
Dr. Doug Knueven 20:20
You know, walking in nature, in my theory, is that we are so far away from nature these days, being in buildings with air conditioning and artificial lighting and everything that we take creatures into our homes and domesticate them as a way to maintain our connection with the divine, and I think that's why pets can have such a healing effect on us. You know, there's so much research about the healing powers of pets. People with pets live longer than people without pets. You know, they need fewer medications and nursing homes that bring animals in, the patients do so much better. So that's the connection that I really got from the readings.
Dr. Judy Morgan
So cool. So have you had personal experiences in your practice or with your own animals, with this spiritual side of Holistic Veterinary Medicine?
Dr. Doug Knueven
Well, you mentioned the animal communicator, and I have a case that was just blew me away.
Dr. Doug Knueven 21:30
So the cat's name was Ricochet, and he was about, I think, 15 years old when he came in, and he had this huge tumor hanging off of his sinuses. So it was a sinus tumor that ate through the sinus bones. I'm sure you've seen these cases before, and it was biopsied. They knew it was a adenocarcinoma, and he had had it for several months by the time the person brought them in. And this person was an acquaintance of mine. She actually was an ARE member, so she was into meditation and things. And I was like, you know, what are you expecting me to do here? And she said, I just want him to be as comfortable as he can be for as long as he can be. And I said, Okay, I can do that. So I was working with acupuncture, some herbs and and he did better for a while. And then she started bringing him in. He wasn't eating, he was getting skinny, he was having nosebleeds, and she was taking him to the emergency room frequently. And I said, you know, I think we're getting to the point where we need to make the decision. And she said, You know, I just have this feeling that he has something to teach us. I was like, okay, so I actually changed my acupuncture points a little bit, but that's not what made the difference. So she comes in the next I think I was treating him every two weeks. Two weeks later, he comes in, and the tumor is 50% reduced in size. Two weeks after that, this cat had a crater in its face where the tumor used to be. And I said, What did you do? And she said, I consulted an animal communicator, and this client had read, I think it's Simonton. In the 70s, they were doing work with kids with cancer using visualization like Pac Man was coming in and eating up the tumors. And so when she was working with the animal communicator,
Dr. Doug Knueven 23:25
basically the animal communicator was saying this to Ricochet, and Ricochet said, Oh yeah, I can do that. And he did. He went on for another year with a big crater in his face. And then finally, you know, his time came, and we did have to make the decision, but darn it, that client wasn't right, that we had something to learn from Ricochet. so to me that I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it.
Dr. Judy Morgan 23:55
That is so cool. That is so cool, you know.
Dr. Judy Morgan 24:00
I mean, all right, we'll look at it from a scientific standpoint. Maybe the tumor got so necrotic or basically died and lost its own blood supply. And just, you know, I've seen them do that, but I still like the Pac Man thing, which I do know for a fact. So I have a friend that I met through book writing, who had she was a colonel in the Air Force, physicist and young woman, and she had stage four ovarian cancer. She looked like she was pregnant. Pictures of her in the hospital, hooked up to everything, and they told her she only had a couple of weeks to live and she was gonna die, and there was nothing else they could do for her. And she said, Okay, checking myself out. I'm done with chemo. I'm done with all this stuff. And she went down rabbit holes, and she was doing a lot of meditation, a lot of other things, literally cured, cured. And I mean, this has been 10 years, and Literally cured herself from the cancer, and a lot of it had to do with, I mean, yes, eating well and stop, stop bombarding the body with all the chemicals and poisons and radiations, and start, you know, doing what needed to be done, but to be able to come back from that brink. And frankly, we're seeing a lot of that now with some of these repurpose drugs like ivermectin and you know, lot of mushroom therapy. But I think, I think that that spiritual side, the visualization and
Dr. Judy Morgan 25:35
and I see that so often, and I think that that that there's a good takeaway there for pet owners. You probably get it in your practice, but I got it a lot where somebody gets a cancer diagnosis and that poor animal is drug to 16 different doctors in a week, because you're hoping somebody is going to say something different. And you know, if I'm the 16th doctor in the week, I'm looking at this poor animal. And I mean, I used to make those people go out for a walk with their dog. I mean, the river is a block away. I want you to take the dog for a walk, go down to the river, think about the cancer going away. Think about the beauty of this animal's life, and stop obsessing on he's going to die. He's going to die. I mean, yes, we that's, you know, it's a pre grief process,
Dr. Doug Knueven 26:23
and we're dragging more animals along with it, and I love this person just saying, Yeah, okay, well, I'm gonna go home and see, see what what happens? Yeah. I mean, that's pretty cool.
Dr. Doug Knueven
And Edgar Cayce actually had a lot to say about how the spirit is part of the healing process, and you're never going to be truly healed unless you're healed on the spiritual level. You know, because you can make the symptoms go away and the disease go away, but it's it's going to come back. Because you need to be right. You need to be aligned body, mind and spirit.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Yeah, absolutely. My sister does something called the Emotion Code, and it's literally peeling back the layers of the onion to get down to. And I think you know, for those, for people who are like, I need to work on myself. Well, you know that that working on myself or working on the animal, it is peeling back all those layers and get like, we all walk around with so much baggage. Luckily, our animals don't really carry the baggage like we do, but a lot of times we're carrying it for them and putting the burden on them.
Dr. Doug Knueven 27:30
Yes. I had a phase that at my office where my line was, Oh, it must run in the family. And what would happen right before that is, I would give the client the diagnosis, and she would say, Oh, my doctor just diagnosed me with that. Oh, it must run in the family, and everyone kind of laughs, but inside, I'm not really laughing like that.
Dr. Judy Morgan
No, I actually, I was working with a communicator, and I was, she was trying to teach me how to how to talk to my animals like, you know how to do it myself, which I'm decent with it, but I'm not nearly where I'd like to be. I think as veterinarians, all of us are pretty decent at it, but, you know, it's something we don't like, really dive into all the time. But she said to me, you know, your animals take on the burdens of like they try to take things away from you. And at the time, I had a 21 year old cat and a 17 year old Cocker that both had lung cancer. We had no smokers in the house. You know, it's like, I don't they're old.
Dr. Judy Morgan 28:34
And she's like, that's a problem. Like, your animals are trying to take something from you guys. Is, are all the people in the family? Okay? You know it is true that, you know they definitely react to our emotions. They definitely take on so much.
Dr. Judy Morgan 28:51
And this is my little plug for that. Look, if your pet's been diagnosed with something terminal and you're really upset about it, cry somewhere else, not anywhere near your animal, and when you're with them, just show them joy, because that's, that's what they need. They they need joyful celebration. They're not they're not thinking about, I'm going to be dead tomorrow.
Dr. Doug Knueven
Yeah, it's amazing to me how these animals are like they have this big old tumor growing off their leg, and they're limping in, wagging their tails like, yeah, they don't know. They didn't, they didn't get the diagnosis.
Dr. Judy Morgan
You know, I know we all have so much to learn from them. This is, this is so cool. I'm glad that you introduced me to Edgar Cayce. I'm going to go do a little more reading on that. I might look for his books. Where can everybody get more information about Dr Doug Knueven?
Dr. Doug Knueven 29:47
I actually have a website, but I haven't done anything with it for like a decade, but you can go to DrDougKnueven.com
Dr. Doug Knueven 30:01
I have a number of blogs that I wrote a long time ago, but most of them are still very applicable. But I I don't have anything to really sell because I retired six months ago, and, you know, yeah,
Dr. Judy Morgan
I did not know that. I'll stop referring people to your clinic to see you. Then. Well, congratulations. That's a milestone.
Dr. Doug Knueven
Yes, it's a strange feeling.
Dr. Judy Morgan 30:29
You know, see, time to get that book done.
Dr. Judy Morgan 30:34
Yeah, retirement for most of us, doesn't exist. But I actually was reading something the other day, and I read that on the stress scale of zero to 100 retirement comes in at like 63 it's actually stressful because, like, one day you're doing all this stuff, and the next day you're like,
Dr. Doug Knueven
meaningless, yeah. Like, who am I? If I'm not a veterinarian?
Dr. Judy Morgan
you're still a veterinarian.
Dr. Judy Morgan 30:59
You may not be a practicing veterinarian. You still have a ton to offer. So time to get back to writing. Keep speaking and come see us in North Carolina. You got time now.
Dr. Doug Knueven
Yeah, you're right. I'm actually down in Virginia Beach right now.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Oh, how awesome. That's very cool. Well, enjoy a little downtime, and I'm sure we'll connect at some point in the future. Thank you so much for joining me today.
Dr. Doug Knueven
Thank you, Dr Judy
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