Dr. Judy Morgan 0:00
Welcome to the Naturally Healthy Pets podcast. Let's get to it.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:04
Thanks for tuning in everyone. I'm really happy to have as my guest today Dr. Conor Brady, because when he and I start talking about things, sometimes we go really off the rails. And we have way too much fun. So just excuse us if we start having a party.
Dr. Judy Morgan 0:22
Today we're going to talk about monsters within: the rapidly advancing world of canine probiotics, which it is changing literally every week. So for those of you who do not know Dr. Conor Brady, he's a full time writer, speaker and dedicated advocate for natural canine feeding and health. And you can find a lot of his work at www.dogsfirst.ie, because He's based in Ireland. And he has the most phenomenal book that came out in 2020, called Feeding Dogs: dry or raw, the science behind the debate. And he says it's for the nerds. But let me tell you that there's so much fact versus fiction in this book. And he backs up what he's talking about with studies and facts and science, which we need more and more of that because we're, you know, climbing this hill, this uphill battle. He lives in Ireland with his two daughters, Holly and Zoe and his wife Elaine, and he's a proud father to a slightly or very odd blue Roan Cocker called Dudley. And he says that what Dudley lacks in brains in finesse, he makes up with single minded determination, although that statement is equally true for both of us. Conor, thanks for joining me.
Dr. Conor Brady
Thanks for the opportunity. I love being here. I'm just itching to go as always. I'm energized thinking about coming on. I love it.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Good. Alright, so we're going to talk about probiotics, which means that first we need to talk about gut flora. So for those who haven't been on this bandwagon and talking about microbiome, and gut flora, and all of that, which we, frankly, we never talked about before the past few years. And when my mother was sick in the hospital with GI stuff, and I brought up microbiome and gut flora, the the surgeon kind of his eyes crossed, and he looked at me like, yeah, exactly like, what what are you even talking about? This was a year ago.
Dr. Judy Morgan 2:25
So you know, not like it was in the stone ages, that we should be getting on board. So just give everybody a little bit of background on what gut flora is, what it does, why we should care.
Dr. Conor Brady
I was on the way back from I was just at the gym, just dropping that in. So I was at the gym, and I'm on the way back, and they give you a free apple and as eating the apple and the apple was absolutely delicious. I think God, this is gorgeous, nicest apple I've ever had in my life. And it's because Oh, sweet was a sweet apple. And so let's start with the sweetness. Okay, so I was just back from a week's holiday in Spain. And we, when you're on holidays, you know, you're just pumping cocktails and anesthetizing yourself, because it's kids for a solid week and you come back with this, you're eating junk food and you come back with this need for sugar, a terrible sweet tooth and everyone's switched on. And it's very hard to get back on your diet after those first 2,3,4 days at home. I just ate anything with sugar in it and a house that was gone after the first day or two. Can I have a honey sandwich? Can Can I do that? I don't know if you do that over there. But it was a treat as a kid over here. And I'm like just sugar, sugar, sugar. So what is that? Okay, some people think they have a sweet tooth, what you have is a chemical kind of drive for more sugar. Okay, so I need sugar now. And so you can switch it on and it takes a few weeks to switch it off before it's it's you get back onto your good diet and you enjoy a salad as much as you did that apple in the car. And so what is that? That is your gut flora as you as you feed you feed a certain wolf inside you and you've got and as you feed more and more sugar, you will shift your gut flora and you will get a group of bacteria that will sit there and go Yeah, we love sugar Nom nom nom. And whatever bacteria you feed grows. And so suddenly you start to grow this gut flora that just starts to demand sugar. And how it does that is unbelievable how your good flora steers you like a puppeteer is unbelievable. They release compounds or cut off the flow of compounds in some cases. compounds that relax you or release compounds that make you agitated. So you go and get the thing that you want. Great study out of France. I'll come back to what a generally good flora is in a second. one a great study out of France was in in Alcoholics, big drinkers. And they gave them probiotics for a month and they found a huge decrease in in most of them huge decrease in drinking just from taking probiotics because for all we know, it's the sugar in the booze that's making us really want the booze I think they really want that glass of wine at six o'clock. Is it really the glass of wine you want or is it the sugar that's in it? And so your body can con you. as the same with colic in babies they found colic all have the same bacteria and now they believe that that terrible pain that the babies are feeling. What do you do when the baby's screaming at relentlessly, you feed it. And if you feed them particularly what you feed them, you get a high sugar content, and a copy that the bacteria is demanding that sugar and it orchestrates a crying baby because nobody's crying. Yeah, and so they're all overweight. And they all have the same shit and bacteria, dogs in a in a in a fight, they all have the same bacteria, but it's not food related stress with it. So the point is, good gut flora is are all these different organisms in your gut, not just bacteria. But yeasts, and protozoa and things, single celled things that swim around and even viruses, they all play a role in this kind of movie that we've got maybe one and a half two kilos of in weight, were like 10 times genes wise, we're 10 times more bacteria than we are human from a genome point of view. So we've got this huge amount and dogs have whatever amount inside them as well, slightly different gut flora to us, but that go for is really important like a garden, and you got to keep those guys happy. Okay, so a lot of them give you beneficial compounds, digests all your food.
Dr. Conor Brady 6:03
They play a role in huge amounts of health, they actually fix your gut lining everything. So keeping your gut flora happy, all these different organisms in balance, although we don't really know what that balance is, we just they just sort that out amongst themselves. By feeding a good diet and being healthy and not stressed. And all the things we kind of know we shouldn't be doing. keeping them happy results in good health, when you don't keep them happy. And they shift into this negative state, this dysbiotic state as I had with this sugar demand in gut, you don't stay healthy. Suddenly, this group that grows he's not a beneficial bacteria. In fact, he just poos everywhere and creates inflammation and toxins, he doesn't care about digesting your food or giving you vital nutrients or head soothing compounds, he's just a bit more of a parasite than, than a good guy, you know. So that's my introduction to gut flora. Yeah,
Dr. Judy Morgan
That is so cool. Because I personally do not like sugar. I don't like the taste of sugar, and I don't, I don't eat sweets, like cakes and cookies and pies like it has zero attraction to me. However, if I have a couple of martinis, then all of a sudden, I want ice cream and not only ice cream, but all the toppings that you know, like the sprinkles, put the syrup, you know, put all that just more and more and more sugar. So it's really, I mean, it's so true. And it's very interesting how that sets up that craving. And man next time that happens, I'm gonna have a little conversation with the guys down below and say, Yeah, you're not driving this train. That's very that's very cool. So basically, the micro biome, or the gut flora can get really screwed up by what we eat what we're taking in. So how do our dogs or pets get a screwed up microbiome? Like what are some of the things that contribute to that?
Dr. Conor Brady
Oh, well, we have the studies are in and we know that feeding kibble you know chemically preserved dry food alters the gut flora. And now we can say that has a negative result on health because that's an enormous study there are the implications of changing the gut flora is you need millions of animals and tested and controlled because the diet so it's very hard to imply what a shift in the gut flora means for large populations of animals. But we do know that kibble compared to raw fed dogs when you switch them over and back, it changes the gut flora. The poo comes out, you measure the poo, very simple to do. In fact, those biome tests that they sell to check your gut flora to see where they are they actually only analyze about 20% of your glut flora. the other 80% of your gut flora is dark matter. They haven't a clue what it is. Isn't that interesting? And so, but they look at 20% and they say this is what your gut flora is like.
Dr. Conor Brady 8:53
And so we know from eating things like chemically preserved kibble, because you know kibble has chemical preservatives in it that is like chemical napalm, essentially and it's to kill all the bacteria in the product so things don't grow for a year to three years I'm fed up behind you know, couches and it's just been there for three years. And so but raw dog food can restore a kind of a more beneficial more varied is what they would say more species rich gut flora. so that's one thing but other products will do that. I mean, what's the effect of feeding canned where they've already eliminated the life you know, cooked and processed? You've got all different foods coming out all different types of ways of preservative natural preservatives, what effect do they have on gut flora? We really don't know. But they all do affect us. In fact, even taking probiotics, just to give a quick spiel on what the word probiotic is. probiotic means biotic that's needed for life. Pro, okay, so it's for life. It's needed. So you've got prebiotics, which is the food they eat, and essentially anything is a prebiotic. No matter what you eat, a martini is a prebiotic. Anything that you give to your gut, something will eat and grow. So everything's a prebiotic. There's some cool ones you can give when they've got diarrhea and stuff. Probiotic means for life and the new word is post biotic.
Dr. Conor Brady 10:00
What they produce, they are the really beneficial cool thing. So when we're talking about how we take bacteria, probiotics later on, the really cool way to take them now is a is a cup with some full fat probiotic yogurt, live probiotic yogurt, if you can buy it that way full fat, plain probiotic, and a bit of water, and you put your probiotic in that you open up your capsule might only be half a capsule for your dog and you leave it sitting at room temperature for 30 minutes or an hour. And what you're growing is you activate the bacteria because you have to wake them up, they're freeze dried. Okay, so there's no point taking a freeze dried capsule because you have to they have to get to the gut and wake up. And the speed of the dog's digestive system. We want this thing to be firing in the small intestines. So you put it in the liquid and they wake up and then they get to eating the food Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. And then they grow. And then they exude all their amazing compounds. And then you give it to your dog 30 minutes before they have their dinner. Because people put the probiotics on the food and the gut flora just napalm the good acidity just napalms them. Okay, we're trying to get the troops to the guns. So you put them in the liquid and let the dog drink the liquid before dinner. And so the stomach doesn't hold on to liquids off you go guys straight to the intestines and you get this massive release of life. It's a numbers game. So yeah, so the probiotic this comes from what you eat, also how you eat it, and when you eat it, that kind of thing. And what you really want is those postbiotics and so we grow them in a cup, making a little fermented drink as Billy Hoekman would be delighted to hear and make a sort of fermented drink, which you would make them drink beforehand for bacteria products. And for humans. That's the way to take it. .
Dr. Judy Morgan 11:42
that is really interesting. I have never heard that before. So I've been putting probiotics in my dog's food, so probably wasteful. And luckily, my dogs are all pretty dang healthy. And they're raw fed, so shocking.
Dr. Judy Morgan 11:49
But that's, that's really interesting. So I'm sitting here thinking, Okay, well, I gotta get some, you know, good yogurt or I mean, so could you put them in? So you're talking about yogurt, but you're and you're talking about a liquid? So could you take your capsule and put it in bone broth? And let that kind of ferment and do it's thing or anything like that? Yeah. Oh, man. Now my dogs are going to be really thrilled.
Dr. Conor Brady 12:11
And what you put them in is going to grow certain communities because other communities might be put in and they'll go, I don't want to grow on this. And other communities will blossom as a result. If you leave them on different surfaces and different temperatures, definitely, you'll grow. You've got 300 species of bacteria in your guts. So when you know what probiotics we're taking is very interesting, because at the moment, there's a lot of canine probiotics and there's human probiotics. And we know that dogs are quite different in the gut flora department because they're highly meat eaters. And we eat more plants. And so of course, they're going to look different in their guts are smooth, and they've no dead ends to hold the material, which bacteria like because then they can ferment the food. Dogs just have a straight pipe, hoop straight through because they're supposed to eat meat all the time. And so the gut flora is different, but it turns out, identified by a professor in biotics. And she said, Oh, yeah, there's no such thing as canine probiotics in a talk that we're doing. And I'm like, Well, you know, I'm the dog person, of course there is that they've, they have to be different. And she goes, Well, they are different. But they're different in anaerobic bacteria, bacteria that don't like oxygen. And so we can only make probiotics with two main groups lactobacillus and bifida, which everybody's heard these two groups, found in yogurt. And they're the two groups that like oxygen. And so we can only make them in oxygenated laboratories, and they're sold and oxygenated pet shops and oxygenated kitchens. So you can't make anaerobic bacteria pills because they'll die. So it turns out that the human probiotics and canine probiotics are very, very similar. If anything the human probiotics are made better. More specifically, you can buy probiotics for mood enhancement.
Dr. Conor Brady 13:44
for everything from kidney disease, to basic broad spectrum products for IBD. And so often there's a picture of a dog on the front, but how specific is it to dogs? Well, any information that say, oh, for dogs with IBD that comes from the human realm, the human ones are often better made, they're about a third of the price. They're available locally. And so I'm not I'm not absolutely stuck on the idea of we have to feed a canine probiotic because you know, have they actually geared that up for a dog less likely that they have is some of the really best selling probiotics in the human health shops are probably better probiotics and I often use them I just recovered Dudley from diarrhea he came back from Spain brown liquid diarrhea coming out the dog. all the dogs have been there? My brother's dog was in there she had a particularly impressive golden retriever, brown liquid. And I think, okay what do I do I don't want to give this dog anything so I said I'll ignore it first of all, that's the first tactic and just keep I just fed her, I skipped a meal skipped a meal with Dudley and fed him that night brown liquid all over the kitchen floor in the morning. So okay, I've got to address this or so I skipped his food for the day. Okay, starve them for 24 hours and just gave him his probiotic in the liquid in the liquid yogurt. I swear to God within two days the dog was back on track I took a picture of his poo, still from two days ago.
Dr. Conor Brady 15:00
Perfect stool. After just two days, my brother's Golden Retriever is still pooing liquid. And so this idea of using any human as a human probiotic from the fridge, we get what's the name of the probiotic? Can't remember, but it's very popular over here. So that was just a human probiotic. And it did the trick because my brother's dog was not recovering. So it's interesting that I probably wouldn't pay too much for the dog varieties myself.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Interesting. And well, you know, and we have lots of different options here as well. Alright, we need to take a break. And when we come back, we're going to talk about things other than bacteria that we use. And I want to talk touch on the role of probiotics as far as behavior with our pets, because that's kind of a biggie. So stay tuned, we'll be right back.
PRODUCT SPOTLIGHT 15:48
One of our favorite guest lectures is Dr. Conor Brady, founder of Dogs First. Dr. Brady is a highly trained researcher, working specifically in Natural Pet Care. He's passionate about helping dog lovers get to the root cause of their issues to avoid the constant cycle of going back to the vet for meds that only suppress symptoms. Dr. Conor's, four courses are now available on DrJudyU.com. And you can enjoy 10% off his courses using code PODCAST12 when purchasing Canine Allergy, Behavior, the Colossal Role of Nutrition, What Do Dogs Eat? Carnivore or Omnivore? And the "Complete" Myth.
Dr. Judy Morgan 16:28
Okay, so we kind of you mentioned that probiotics, or the gut flora is made up of not just bacteria, but also yeast and fungi and viruses and protozoa. There's a lot of things that go in there. But one of the things that now, people have started talking about is S. boulardii. And so can we talk about that and what it might be used for and, you know, studies that you might have seen, why is this now something that seems to be beneficial, and when would we use it?
Dr. Conor Brady
It's amazing, this soil based probiotics SBOs is what people call them, they're amazing. They kind of first started messing around with them 10-20 years ago, Irish UK soils, and they started using them for all different things. So S. boulardii is actually a yeast. And so people want to take this with a yeast infected dog. Absolutely. This particular yeast is a probiotic is for life, it's beneficial for us because it releases compounds that kills bad bacteria. And so you know, fungi and bacteria hate each other. And so we found out about antibiotics that place the fungi was keeping the bacteria at bay, but not touching it how to do it was pumping chemicals into the environment, we take those chemicals and we make antibiotics. So now we have a natural antibiotic in S. boulardii. And so you can take S. boulardii in a capsule, you don't have to feed that in the liquid kind of idea because nothing kills yeast as you know, as a vet.
Dr. Conor Brady 17:59
So you just put it on top of the food and the dog can take it and the yeast will hang around inside the dog's digestive system for a little while because it's not where he wants to live. But while they're there these compounds that kill only bad bacteria, not even the good guys. And now they believe it's actually very specific to the types of salmonella it kills which is even more anyway. So I'm thinking okay, we were using it as S. boulardii with a really good sick dog, gastroenteritis. And these you know, really troublesome IBS, IBD cases at the very start. They'd say, right, give s boulardii to weed the garden, and then you do your bacterial probiotic to seed the garden. I thought that's cool. So now my advice for these particularly troubled gut ideas is like okay, let's pop a S. boulardii and see what happens. Give that for a week. And then we move on to the bacteria probiotics for two weeks. I don't give the probiotics for too long. By the way healthy dogs don't need probiotics. Dogs that have healthy fresh eyes do not need probiotics. In fact, a study shows that putting in probiotics shifts the gut flora as well. So you really don't know or you do know this is dark arts. We use these things like medicines and then we stop and then the gut flora will get back on track. So that's what S. boulardii does, but it does was way more than that. So it works with dogs with IBD, IBS type issues. It kills other bad yeasts. It decreases inflammation probably because it kills the bad yeast. It works for giardia, massive study in giardia. Listen to this study on giardia. 8 groups of animals, read this off of my screen, eight groups of animals with Giardia infection it was about 20 in each group, a reduction of approximately 90% in the parasitic load was observed in all treated groups. That's unbelievable. 90%
Dr. Judy Morgan
which is which is so amazing because I can't tell you how many times in practice we get puppies coming from puppy mills or pet stores or you know, not good environments. And they're coming in with giardia and we treat them with all the you know napalm chemicals. And they just come back again and again and again. And then we end up with every animal in the household infected
Dr. Judy Morgan 20:00
Sometimes we end up with the people infected. And it is such a problem. And if we could get rid of 90% of the parasitic load by using something that the body likes. Yeah, that's, that's huge. So now we've started with animals that are taking antibiotics. S boulardii is one of the things that I've had people use, because it's going to keep those bad guys in check, which when you give an antibiotic, you kill a lot of the good guys and the bad guys kind of go who were taking over, which is why we get things like C diff. And you know, that, you know, kills people.
Dr. Judy Morgan 20:41
So, how do you recommend if an If an animal is placed on antibiotics, which we know is going to destroy the gut microbiome? By the way, there's a lot of other medications that also just destroy the gut microbiome, which is why we try to avoid them. How do you recommend if somebody has an animal that is either on antibiotics or has just finished a course of antibiotics? How do they repopulate the gut? Or is there something you recommend doing while they are on the drugs?
Dr. Conor Brady
Yeah, like you know, I'm a non vet here, guys, even Dr. Canterbury was like,
Dr. Judy Morgan
Yeah, but he does all this research
Dr. Conor Brady 21:17
I have the people that know more about this would say, like the science is in it's done, that they know feeding probiotics with antibiotics is a very, very good idea, but not together. So they separate them out morning and night. Or if you have to take your antibiotics, they separate them as much as you can see, keep the probiotics away from the antibiotics and deliver them in liquid form. So it is a very good idea to be taking probiotics with antibiotics, I can share the study later, just to CMA, cover my bottom, but it is definitely the way to do it. The second after that it will be well, you've got to dry up the dog and make sure that you know he's healthy and can take food. So sometimes the first couple of days, whatever works to shore up his poo, I just gave the dog a boiled chicken because I made broth from a carcass. So he just got that. And that worked like a treat. I know he likes chicken, but you guys can use turkey, whatever. But after a couple of days, then the trick is to vary the diet. So put in the few little variant ingredients, because again, you're trying to replenish that gut flora. So you don't just feed one diet for three or four weeks, you're trying to move the diet around. Once you get that gut back under control, you start to move the diet around, and you're feeding different communities and you start to develop a more robust gut flora. Because it takes a long time to get around and sometimes you can keep the changes for life. Pregnant women can pass them on to infants, as a shift in gut flora. Probiotics can do the same thing was so yeah, so I'd recommend that giving the probiotics for a certain amount of time and stopping to give them for a week or two and then just stop with the probiotics. But varying the diet is probably the way to do it, focusing on the prebiotics, what these guys like to eat, that's what grows them, you know, putting in a probiotic with six or seven groups of bacteria in there. Sure, what do we know that the gut needs, maybe you've just moved in 20 Plumbers when they needed electricians, you know, you can't just move one type of people into a housing estate, as we know, you know. So these are like they have a very set way of doing things as things in charge, and you just go Don't be in the wrong groups of bacteria as much as you thought they were friends. So that's that'd be my advice for the for the Diarrhea and antibiotic dog.
Dr. Judy Morgan
That's really interesting. I recently had to take a round of antibiotics, which I rarely, rarely do. It was one of those desperation situations, but in reading the insert about the antibiotic, it's it actually talked about it could cause GI problems, like wiping out your gut,
Dr. Judy Morgan 23:38
even months after you take the drug. So it's really interesting that you say it can cause a shift, you know, that could last your whole life. But it's really interesting that this particular drug insert actually said that problems could occur while on the drug, but could even show up months and months and months later.
Dr. Conor Brady
So I never read the insert for an antibiotic. He just like he just I never read the insert for an antibiotic.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Yeah, and I don't know why I read this one. But, you know, that was kind of one of those things that was in bold. And, and, and I, frankly, I am very nervous about antibiotics. Because I know what it can do to the gut microbiome. And we actually had a family member who died from C. diff from taking antibiotics for a dental infection. So you know, it's a reality it can happen. So don't take them lightly. Don't give them to your pets, you know, not to mention the fact that we have antibiotic resistance from overuse of antibiotics that are not needed, blah, blah, blah. So whatever you can do to work on things naturally.
Dr. Conor Brady 24:41
The antibiotic resistance thing is huge, like, you know, to work if I can run with that for a second like that. A lot of when we hear of antibiotic resistance and taking too much antibiotics we often think of the humans are doing it. there's ads on the radio stop taking so much antibiotics, and it's like well, we didn't buy them in the shop. We got them from a doctor. So that's the first kind of breaking wall that didn't work.
Dr. Conor Brady 25:00
But you people put pressure on their doctors and it works. You know, that's where you have ads for drugs. So that but more importantly, most of the antibiotic resistance is coming from agriculture. So they grow animals in dire dire situations. And then they use very low doses of antibiotics to keep them alive and as much disease free as possible to get the chicken to 10 weeks or 11 weeks of age and they kill. So but they don't use lots of antibiotics, they use a little amount. So you've got dogs, or you've got chickens in concentration camps, fed tiny, tiny low doses of antibiotics. That's the perfect place to develop antibiotic resistance. And so all this poo from chicken houses and piggeries and place for cattle, so they collect them in ponds and whatnot. These are notoriously great places for developing bad bacteria. And on top of that, you feed the animals the wrong food. So when you rear a cow on grain, like corn and wheat, that's not stuff the cow's supposed to be eating. They are supposed to be eating grass, they've got 300 times the salmonella load than they have in pasture fed animals. So you get this meat that's kind of dirty and and high bacteria load. So Antibiotic resistance is a big problem. And some of the solutions to that are in probiotics. There's a brilliant story that was passed to me by Joe Cavina, from ingenious probiotics plug for his website, I have nothing to do with them, but you're going to enjoy reading his stuff. And he tells me the story about the Amish community where they were making they had this you know, Creamery and dairy and whatever. And they cleaned out the machines and a member of the FDA could all FDA was standing there watching them do their when they're finished. And when they're finished. They take some kind of milk and start washing down their machines. And the guy from the FDA goes, What are you doing? You've just cleaned your machines. And he was saying, Oh, no, we're sterilizing with a probiotic whey wash. And the guy goes, what are you what are you talking about? that's all full of lactobacillus bifida and they cover their machines in that and they put a protective probiotic coating on the outside. So bad bacteria can't even get a look in just good guys. So if any food was the land or be left or you just grow more good guys, companies like Answers Pet Food took advantage of this idea and a lot of food companies where they put probiotics into the food. So in trials of some meat products, your beef mince gets cleaner, the longer you leave it out at room temperature, I mean, it's just mind blowing stuff. Anyway, this this story evolves into some guy heard about it, and he they have a big problem in Manhattan a few of these other places where there's huge
Dr. Conor Brady 27:33
you know, buildings with aircon and the aircon blows cold air into you know, top of people but cold air got us moisture and you don't want moisture air because you get listeria. So they had these big dirty tubes and they wanted to clean them and you can't put chemicals through them anymore. And so what could we do? Well, now they blow probiotics through the air based on this idea that they've learned from the Irish community. And the guy thought of that idea made billions, but now they're washing hospitals in them and an enormous study out of Italy. Unbelievable study. Again, I send it out to the impact of probiotic based
Dr. Conor Brady 28:04
cleaning intervention on the microbiota ecosystem of hospital surfaces. https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0148857 And what they found was that the probiotic, the probiotic wash, it took a couple of weeks for them to all take it. it was 80 to 90% better compared to conventional cleaning disinfectants. The results showed that the bacillus spores, or probiotics have the ability to germinate and sit on the surfaces, and it induced a profound abatement of the non common pathogens on hospital surfaces. Most importantly, it reduced antibiotic resistant genes originally present in the microbiota of the treated surfaces and impressive decrease. So it started reducing the bad bacteria resistance in four of the six hospitals. infections that really lay you out. This, this was the way to do it. So the guy who owns this website I just mentioned, he came from an industrial cleaning background he goes like you guys are spraying your surfaces with antibacterial. He goes when that dries in 10 minutes. What's going to happen to the surface it's just dry molecules. It blows into the dust your house which study shows cats and dogs are much higher in because their noses to the ground. And then the surface is free to be recollinated by the bacteria you thought you were sorting out. I remember my baby was walking across the ground after we washed the floor in that cleaning fluid. And the dirty drops out of her mouth and I'm like don't put that back in your mouth. And think how crazy is that? I just washed the floor and putting it back in her mouth so these guys this industrial cleaner job he sells probiotic cleaning fluids so now dogs with allergies and you know really hyper sensitive dog has her skins in bits and you're washing your hands with antibacterial wash that is not helping her skin flora get back on track. So when you're trying to rehab recurring skin, ear conditions in the dogs. It's like stop washing your floors in antibacterial, stop washing their beds in antibacterial stuff with the anti bacteria and move to probiotic floor cleaners. Probiotic wound washes you know why would you not probiotic ear cleaners probiotic everything I just It blew me away.
Dr. Conor Brady 30:00
So the probiotic cleaning is the next frontier for antibiotic resistance.
Dr. Judy Morgan
So cool. Yeah, you know, there's been great studies that show that children who are brought up in like, super clean houses where, you know, there's no animals and everything is scrubbed to within the end of its life at those children actually develop a lot more allergy problems as they grow. And I look at my kids who grew up in a barn with lots of animals in the house and lots of animals outside and, you know, they probably, you know, ate manure sandwiches while they were in the barn, because their hands were always filthy. And you know, what, they don't have allergy problems. And yeah, they did pretty well. So, you know, yay, me for being the mom who didn't have the antiseptic house.
Dr. Judy Morgan 30:53
Oh, man, Conor, I can't believe it. We're out of time, you are always such a wealth of information. So for anybody listening, I highly recommend Dr. Brady's book book Feeding Dogs: Dry or Raw? The Science Behind the Debate, you can get it on Amazon, I'm pretty sure it's on his website as well. It's, it took me a little while to get through it, because it's long, and there's just so much information. But you know, I'm one of those people 75, post it notes and highlighters in five different colors. And I just, I just love it. And then the other thing that you've been working on is a whole bunch of online courses. Give us a quick little one minute rundown on what you've got available, because we are also going to have all that available on DrJudyU.
Dr. Conor Brady
Delighted you asked, because we didn't get to talk about behavior, or effective nutrition on behavior. And probiotics is half that lecture. So that was one of the first ones that you guys have, you'll have it up on your website there. And so my behavior webinar is becoming particularly popular. So that's getting longer nuggets, about two and a half hours now. But about one and a half hours of that is the role of the gut flora and how they pull all those mechanisms and the chemicals are released. So thank God, you mentioned that because I really hope people will check that one out. It's it's, it's interesting, not enough people talking about the role of you know, poor quality food and behavior in dogs, we're feeding them dry food and expect them to take in their lessons. It's like kids 20 minutes after a birthday party, you know, and now you're gonna do your homework with them? I mean, those kids should be outside and lock the door. That's what dry food does, in my opinion. So the behavior one, the allergy one, as well as my other kind of the most popular one, and the allergy one is for dog with recurring skin, ear and gut conditions, which is the top 1, 2, 3 reasons for visiting the vet today. And that can be such a simple solution. But it needs to be done in a particular ways you know yourself, it's not just jumping to one food and crossing your fingers. There's a set way to go through that. That is very simple, very easy to do at home, and it's going to save you a fortune. Some of these people can spend 10, 15, 20 out of that and it's like my God, just drug after drug after drug to focus on the symptoms. A lot of that stuff is like a little house on fire, you got to get to get the holes in the house. So those two courses are my are my babies of 2023. I am hoping to do more and more as I see you and I everybody else that seems like okay, I want to start putting my content out that way.
Dr. Judy Morgan
Yeah, I mean, you have all this, all this knowledge, all this information, and it's so incredibly good, and more people need access to it. So www.dogsfirst.ie is the website he's also on Facebook and Instagram, which is @DogsFirstIreland and his book is just a goldmine of information. And Conor keep doing what you're doing because I love it.
Dr. Conor Brady
Thanks for having me on. Appreciate the chance, it's good.
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